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Admin		#1 Posted : 30 March 2006 15:26:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By Aidan Toner Assuming Derry City Airport's 'air trattic control visual clearance system 'was applied correctly-What category of failure has the pilot committed and what action should his employer Eirjet and client company Ryanair take respectivly ?.
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Admin		#2 Posted : 30 March 2006 15:55:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By J Knight Apparently its because he keeps his teabags in the milk jug...or soemthing http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/...hern_ireland/4859716.stm John
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Admin		#3 Posted : 30 March 2006 16:04:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By J Knight Hi Aidan, I fully agree that this is a serious question; landing at the wrong airport might be a bit of a joke, but how close is it to closing down the wrong engine (Kegworth of course) because the pilot relied on what he 'knew' rather than chacking what he was being told? John
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Admin		#4 Posted : 30 March 2006 16:08:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By garyh This is a case of "mistaken perception" in error terms, I think. Easy to blame the Pilot - he thought he was landing at the right airport however:- 1) It is perefectly predicatble that this could happen 2) There would have to be a robust system to ensure this doesn't happen 3) You could argue that as it actually happened they didn't have no 2
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Admin		#5 Posted : 30 March 2006 16:26:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By Merv Newman Surely air traffic control should have noticed something like "you are flying too low to reach the our runway - left hand up a bit"
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Admin		#6 Posted : 30 March 2006 16:32:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By Chris Packham This isn't the first time. Some years ago an aircraft, supposed to be landing at one German airport as part of an examination of the airline's safety standards managed to land at another. The examination authority were not impressed! I believe that there was also a case of an aircraft landing at Northolt when the pilot thought he was landing at Heathrow. What I cannot understand is that if air traffic control were monitoring his approach on radar, then did not notice that something was wrong! If this can happen, it doesn't give me much confidence, considering our crowded air space.
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Admin		#7 Posted : 30 March 2006 16:43:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By Ken Dickson Quite so Merv. Air traffic control must take a big slice of the responsibility for this one. They are responsible for ensuring traffic in their airspace is where it should be, authorising approach and landing etc... But the authorities are not really best pals with Ryanair, so which way is the investigation likely to go?!?
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Admin		#8 Posted : 30 March 2006 16:47:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By J Knight haven't planes occasionally landed on motorways and stuff in this sort of scenario (no, I'm not thinking of Kegworth in this case? Mind you, I think they may have been adjacent motorways, not five miles away. Maybe air traffic control did nothing because the dissonance between concept (landing at our airport) and reality (landing somewhere else entirely) was just too great to be credible? What I mean is, maybe they didn't believe that it could be happening, John
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Admin		#9 Posted : 30 March 2006 16:57:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By Ken Dickson Interesting John. So you're saying the ATC boys didn't believe / trust their instruments either? Hardly absolves them of responsibility.
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Admin		#10 Posted : 30 March 2006 18:23:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By TBC Mistakes used to happen all the time about 25 years ago. I was in the RAF in Hong Kong (Old runway) and we had some incidents there. One JAL 747 was tried to land on the adjacent taxiing strip and buzzed the tower I think we nearly had tyre skid marks on the roof from his wheels - we were under the desks by this time with our own marks and remarks. Another JAL couldn't find the runway - the long strip of concrete jutting out into the sea. A TWA pilot came on and mentioned some thing about 'How did you manage to find Pearl Harbour' not in good taste, but typical American. I could go on. Technology should mean that these don't happen, but we are human after all.
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Admin		#11 Posted : 31 March 2006 09:29:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By J Knight My guess is that Air Traffic control did believe their instruments; they may not have believed that the pilot was intending to do what he said he was doing. Speculation of course, but very interesting, John
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Admin		#12 Posted : 31 March 2006 09:51:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By Jerry Lucey The thing that struck me about this incident was the fact that the pilot in question is reported to have had 30 years experiance with leading european airlines.
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Admin		#13 Posted : 31 March 2006 14:44:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By Merv Newman Oh. So that's him for early retirement on full pension ? Hmmm Merv
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Admin		#14 Posted : 31 March 2006 14:51:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By safety sam2 Perhaps they didn't understand where he wanted to land because of the hula hoop on his tongue??
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Admin		#15 Posted : 31 March 2006 14:57:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By Eddie1 Maybe it was a publicity stunt!!its the usual from ryanair though land on runway near the destination. next they ll be issuing parachutes on flights
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Admin		#16 Posted : 31 March 2006 15:01:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By J Knight I suppose since e.g. the destination advertised by Ryan Air as Oslo is actually more reasonably described as 'somewhere in Norway' landing only 5 miles from what the ticket says counts as bang on target, John
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Admin		#17 Posted : 31 March 2006 17:50:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By Aidan Toner Thanks for all your comments both informative and witty.I'm happy to go along with Merv-There may be a flawed ground control procedure(or application of)which did'nt compensate for a forseeable pilot error.Lets watch where this one goes. I suspect the 'pilot' is now flying solo and is going to crash and burn-This time at the official inquiry.
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Admin		#18 Posted : 01 April 2006 00:46:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By Tony Brunskill But their baggage went to the right airport.
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Admin		#19 Posted : 01 April 2006 15:49:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By Karen Todd And Beauvais is in fact an hour and a quarter by bus out of Paris. I don't know enough about air traffic control to comment fully, but I know that some air traffic control centres can't see the planes they are controlling, others can. I would assume that Derry can. I have been in the control tower at Belfast International Airport, and I recall controllers pointing out the flights they were talking to (they could spot the lights in the sky ages before I did) and this was accompanied by them saying something like "...I have you on visual". If I was the controller and my plane disappeared from the radar and had not landed at my airport I would be panicking to say the least. KT
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Admin		#20 Posted : 01 April 2006 16:10:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By Karen Todd And the "departure lounge" at Beauvais is in fact a Temp-a-stor: http://www.tempastor.co....s/Image/sidepics/HOECKER 25MTR 065_lg.JPG Yes, a tent. And as for crowd control - don't get me started. I thought I was going to be knocked flying at one point, and as I'm pregnant I was particularly unimpressed. KT
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