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Posted By Al Beevers
One for any pressure systems experts out there.
I have a client who insists some of his pressurisation systems - buidling hot water and refrigeration plant - do not require written schemes drawing up nor examinations under them.
They aren't small enough to be exempt under 25kW, nor any other exemption from Schedule 1 in the regs.
His argument is that any defect would not give rise to danger as they're on roofs/in plant rooms, and any gas release would only affect those areas - not the general workplace areas and staff.
Aside from the fact that any maintenance engineers working near this plant would definately be in danger, my argument is that the PSSR 2000 aren't dependant on a risk assessment. If you've got pressure systems of a certain size and pressure, then they should have written schemes for them.
I'm quite happy to be told I'm wrong, but has anyone out there had this problem before? Any ideas on changing his mind? Any prosecutions that have occured because of this?
Any help on a sunny day when I'm stuck in a windowless dungeon of an office is gratefully received.
Al.
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Posted By Descarte
Tell them to talk to their insurers we have to notify ours of any new or old pressure equipment we have on site and they will likely be required to send one of their own engineers to come and inspect the systems anyway.
If the insurer says they need one, and then they still refuse I can see there being some slight issues there which they can fight it out with their insueres about, I also think I may know who will win. ;-)
It is all dependant ona combination of whether they contain a relevant fluid, volumes, temperatures, pressures, possibilities for steam upon release etc..
Though I am far from a pressure expert I have had some recent dealings with our suppliers, insurers and engineers and WSE, thank god it is nearly all over :-)
Des
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Posted By atm
Al
I believe if the pressure is above 0.5 of a bar above atmospheric pressure or steam is involved then a written examination is required.
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Posted By Descarte
On a slightly different note, I dont see what people see so frightening about the prospect of a WSE, for some of our equipment it is a few lines long detailing safe working limits and frequency of inspection
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Posted By Al Beevers
The insurers, RSA, say they need written schemes. There all plenty big enough - generally the refrigeration plant operates at over 30 bar.
The client actually believes there is a risk assessment element in deciding what needs a written scheme or not. Any ideas on proving to him this isn't true. He's read the PSSR ACoP, but interprets it very (very, very) differently to me.
Al.
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Posted By Descarte
The insurers, RSA, say they need written schemes - would be enough for me
Ask them where in the ACoP or Regs it says that a requirement for a WSE can be nullified by the production of a RA, I sure can't see that one
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