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Posted By GavinR
Hi, Just a short question regarding training for designers, especially with regard to designer risk assessments. We have provided our designers with training of the CDM regs and risk assessments but is there a recognised course that would be recommended to ensure designers are up-to date and producing relevant risk assessments and not just generic assessments?
Cheers in advance.
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Posted By Ron Hunter
Why are your Designers writing Risk Assessments? CDM requires that they prepare designs with adequate regard to health and safety and to the information supplied by the client; & provide adequate information in or with the design about significant residual risks. All of this can be done by providing info on drawings.
By all means teach your Designers about the proper principles of Risk Assessment (ERIC), but let's try and keep it focused.
The HSE webpages, particularly "Designers can do more" and related pages (including link to SID pages) provide more than enough info. which should obviate need for external training provision?
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Posted By Bill Parkinson
There may be a requirement for Designer RA in relation to construction and also for maintenance activities afterwards. This may be updated once the structure is handed over but in my experience of planning supervisor work the designer does not specify risks in relation to things such as replacement/repair of items where there is limited access for people or equipment.
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Posted By warderic
Its all a question of understanding. We have recently been requested by a customer for risk assesments regarding a product we design and supply. There may not legaly be a requireent for us to supply this but you dont argue with the person holding wages. In future more and more designers will be asked for risk assessments. Its rather like the everyday risk assesments, there is no need legaly to risk assess and record every jobs, but we do, and why, because our insurance providers require this to be done. Its not us or the HSE who call the shots, but others around us who somtimes know very little if anything about health and safety and the legal requirements.
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Posted By Ron Hunter
Interesting point there Bill. "Specifying" risks regarding restricted or difficult access for maintenance suggests that the designer has effectively built that risk in the first place. The whole point of CDM is that these problems should be designed out! ERIC, E is for eliminate.
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Posted By Ron Hunter
Interesting point there Bill. "Specifying" risks regarding restricted or difficult access for maintenance suggests that the designer has effectively built that risk in the first place. The whole point of CDM is that these problems should be designed out! ERIC, E is for eliminate.
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Posted By Frank Hallett
Hi Gavin
First - congratulations on trying to raise awareness of Designers as to the very real problems that they may come across - definitely not the norme from my experience.
I am assuming from the content of your post that the intent is to raise awareness of the problems that the designer may create rather than those that they may need to interact with when visiting a site?
The earlier comments are all relevant, but without having knowledge of the content of your course it simply isn't possible to comment sensibly on whether or not it actually meets a need; but I am not aware of any relevant [specific to Designers] courses that address the issues of compliance with CDM and the all the other H,S,F&E legislation that will apply. I'll bet someone out there is though, if one exists.
If you wish to discuss any issues further, please feel able to contact me directly as this is an area in which I have previously provided services.
Frank Hallett
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