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Posted By artisdeeian
Hi all.
Can anyone advise me on using a noise level meter. I have not recieved formal training but know someone who has. I am a safety advisor who has to undertake the new noise level assessments. Is it acceptable to taught by this person to be able to use the meter.
Regards.Ian
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Posted By lewes
I recently did a 5 day course on Noise Assessments and to be honest it really aint a case of point and take measurements.
Although the new Noise at Work Regs dont require someone to be conpetent (wait for the arguments to start) you do need to have an understanding about noise, its path and control measures.
Its a lot more indepth than I first thought and you will learn lots if you undertake suitable training.
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Posted By Dave Wilson
Think there are two issues here.
1 the use of an industrial Noise meter to get an indicative 'noise' reading - if this is near or above the AL's then a more indepth Assessment will be required.
2 if ths detailed Noise assessment is required than you will really need specialist advice / do the course on how to do this and what control measures could be adopted to reduce the levels of noise, eg Manage it!.
So, get shown how to use the meter and then if you suspect you need more help or assistance then get it!
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Posted By Sean Fraser
To follow up on Lewes point, I am also going on an intensive Noise Assessment course (3 days rather than 5) because our insurance assessor asked if we had assessments (we did) and if they were done by a competent person (which I deemed myself not to be) so they are only an interim measure until I can get it done right.
I work in a manufacturing environment with numerous activities ongoing at different times - it can be a bit complex and I need a better understanding of noise in order to make valid assessments. I need to understand what measurements to take, how to calculate noise exposure and how to accurately record and action findings. I don't know enough now to be able to do that with the confidence that I am right, and therefore I am not competent yet.
My definition of competence is knowing when to ask - and when to hand over to someone more specialist than I am. Since this is a topic I am interested in, I want to upgrade my knowledge and skills to become that person.
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Posted By Bernard Grainger
I strongly recommend taking the full Workplace Noise Assessment Certificate. As stated previously you will need to understand noise behaviour to properly assess the exposure and risk. There are numerous control measures to consider such as Isolation, damping, absorption, deflection, proximity etc. PPE is the last resort but you must understand Noise Attenuation to ensure the user is protected against the correct frequency band.
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Posted By The toecap
How much do these courses cost?
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Posted By lewes
My course was £1200 and 5 days and is approved by Institute of Acoustics.
I understand that Castle run a course for around £850 but involves elements of distance learning.
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Posted By Keith E
But equally, don't get too wound up with 'official' training courses - for general noise measurement - I would suggest anyone with
(i) reasonable grasp of physics, noise propagation etc (ii) an understanding of materials/density and absorption potential (iii) experience of using typical electrical/engineering test equipment - specifically the different types of noise meter (iv) can understand the relevant guidance literature/HSE books etc
Could make a reasonable noise assessment.
Even the need to understand the maths/logarithms etc is now greatly reduced - as modern noise instruments will do all the brain ache for you. You can always double check with a paper and pen and a set of log tables afterwards...which is all part of the fun - the maths isn't that hard, whats a few logarithms between friends?
A decent modern noise meter will do all the calculation, octave analysis etc for you. You can also get them pre-programmed with the hearing protection values of a wide range of ear protection/ear plugs etc - the noise meter than tells you which make/model are the most suitable.
I work on the threory that if Her Majesty deemed me competent to use the electronic boxes to test the performance of a gas turbine engine and calculate its thrust/power and noise etc - I can complete an adequate industrial noise assessment - 'cos I can count to more than 10, with out taking my shoes and socks off...
Measuring noise close to the ear/head is a different matter.
Here we go again, the vested interests of the safety industry, making things sound more complicated than they really are - see the 'Cry Wolf' thread.
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Posted By Telstar
Is this not the usual case of someone trying to make a killing on the back of a legislative change. Try using the equipment Arty, if you can't interpret the results with confidence, get more training.
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Posted By warderic
I agree with 'Here we go Again' Why does our profession always try to make mountains from mole hills. There realy is no need to go on expensive courses and create loads of paperwork. Read the regulations, its all there, dont try to make it complicated, its not.
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Posted By artisdeeian
thanks again guys.
It's still good to see how even in our profession we all have different views of what should be done. Making a killing; not 'Me' all I want to do is my job properly, all the advice from you guys is brilliant, I have taken it on board and will investigate further. However, I do agree that there are a lot of companies out there that are jumping on the bandwagon and actually not 'trying', but 'Are' making a killing, as we all know that will always be the case.
Thanks once again
Ian.
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Posted By Peter Wild
Life need not be that expensive, you can hire equipment quite reasonably priced from a company called 3a air and acoustics, see,www3-a.co.uk.
Most modern equipment logs all the readings you ever need and then download and interpret.Think the black art is the interpetation but theres plenty of help available.
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Posted By Paulo Dinis
Another source for further reading is the standard :
ISO 11690-1:1996 Acoustics -- Recommended practice for the design of low-noise workplaces containing machinery
Part 1: Noise control strategies
Part 2 : Acoustics -- Recommended practice for the design of low-noise workplaces containing machinery -- Part 2: Noise control measures
Part 3 : Acoustics -- Recommended practice for the design of low-noise workplaces containing machinery -- Part 3: Sound propagation and noise prediction in workrooms
Seens not to be very helpful for noise measurements, but in fact there are basics noise exposure and noise assesment on that standard in Part 1 ( concept´s like emission, imission, etc ).
Part 2 and 3, will increase your knowledge on noise to develop some internal procedures and actions to reduce the noise exposure.
Paulo Dinis
H&S Manager
Portugal
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Posted By erina
hey guys
this is not a now you hear now you don't game...I have done too many audiometry/hearing assessments on people who's hearing/safety is compromised by unskilled assessors....
some things are just simply ment to be done correct in order to prevent accidents and impairments... If not you will comp. the safety of your employees come on!! If you want to do noise assessment and /or measurements you will have to find out in depth the why's, and the how's else anybody can go and buy a meter, read the manual and do it but be sure....somewhere along the line you'll miss something or get a claim for compensation you heaven't bargained for.....Not worth it leave it to the people who know....you may save a quick buck now...but pay the price later....Else study and do it the safe way..there's more to it than just pressing the button.
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Posted By David Bramall
artisdeeian
why bother learning what to do, I assume by your posting that it is a rare occurrence where you need the service. There are lots of experts out there who will be more than happy to carry out this service for you - it should be cheaper than doing a course (which if not put into practice, will be forgotten). Use them and sleep soundly at night - knowing the results are robust.
Regards
DrB
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