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#1 Posted : 20 April 2006 15:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By Sean McMahon I am currently putting together a guidance manual on asbestos management as part of the development of a H&S management system for a construction company. I wish to develop a procedure to be implemented in response to workers being unexpectedly exposed and potentially contaminated during the course of construction work. The HSE do not appear to have anything which specifically covers this situation, however I have used Reg 14- (Arrangements to deal with accidents, incidents and emergencies) of the CAWR 2005 to put something together. If anybody has any ideas of where to look (I am told that HSG 210 Asbestos Essentials Pg 25 has some good info but I don't have access to it) or has a procedure that they use I would be very grateful.
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#2 Posted : 20 April 2006 15:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By Nick Egan Look here: http://www.hse.gov.uk/lau/lacs/5-19.htm
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#3 Posted : 20 April 2006 15:52:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave Wilson I know this may be a mute point however as from May 2004 (Reg 4)it has become an expicit legal duty for people who manage buildings to find out if their property contains asbestos and to what extent and its condition. I know this may not be of any use but and BIG BUT your staff should not be working on any building unless an asbestos management plan has been drawn up and available to you 'before' work commences, if the building owner does not supply this they are in flagrant disregard of statute law, the HSE and the LA are clamping down on this this year. So you should never be exposed unexpectedly to any ACM's , a Type 3 fully intrusive survey is legally required before any major refurbishment or demolition work as well. I have lost count of the amount of PS under CDM who do not account for this!! Anyway try indg 289
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#4 Posted : 20 April 2006 16:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mick Yeomans Sean Even with the best will in the world inadvertant exposure can still occur, having had a case recently after a type 3 survey had been completed. A sample from one partition wall had been taken but not the other three in the same room, one of these walls was constructed from 'Asbestolux board' resulting in inadvertant exposure. For guidance I suggest you read Local Authority Circular 5/19 that has guidance for Employers, Medical Practitioners and employees. This is freely available on the HSE website. Mick
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#5 Posted : 20 April 2006 16:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave Wilson I agree wholeheartedly, but if all the building duty holders and construction companies and asbestos surveing companies were doing their jobs properly then this should not happen. Even with a type 3 survey the Asbestos company are constrained by the amount of samples they can take (Client COST!!) which sometimes does not reflect the amount of samples they should take! Heypresto inadvertant exposure!!!
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#6 Posted : 20 April 2006 16:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis So cost is an issue when we are to decide whether or not there may be exposure to a carcinogenic substance. It puts me in mind of a local hospital that inadvertantly found asbestos above the ceiling of a ward being refurbished recently. It was however in good condition and sealed. They removed it and replaced it. Guess what happened in the next ward. Correct they inadvertantly found more in the same condition. They now want to close the hospital because it would cost too much to remove even though air monitoring does not pick up any fibres but they might not spot it next time is the answer!!!!! Next hospital with A&E is over an hour away. Bob
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#7 Posted : 20 April 2006 16:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave Wilson You would not believe it mate, Get this only do a limited type 2 for demolition and HSE get involved and contrcat runs over - saving cost - Now into penalty clauses for the PC and PS says "Why didn't you find the asi behind that partition!! DOH!!! After a type 3 where we have told the client that its a destructive sampling survey - "Look what you have done to my building there's holes all over it!!!" DOH!! Can you come and do a type 3 survey on our property (Its only 18 months old!!!!) 'NO' is the answer and explain why - well what about a type two then? DOH!!!
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#8 Posted : 20 April 2006 17:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By Sean McMahon Thanks for your help guys, I have been working in the field for a while now so I know the difficulties I can assure you.
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#9 Posted : 21 April 2006 01:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By Brett Day Have had quite a few type 3 surveys with lots of disclaimers about not being able to get behind panels, unable to check fuseboards (despite being disconnected and dead) etc, in reality more like a type 2 survey and as PS have pointed this out to Client and have been told "Well these guys are cheap, beside the PC should be able to take care of this." Have warned PC of shortcomings in my PTH&SP. Very frustrating.
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