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Posted By George Romero
My local LEA has some excellent written procedures for the planning and conducting of Educational Visits. Unfortunately, the LEA Ed. Visits Co-ordinator is giving what I consider to be poor verbal advice.
The LEA has a number of "generic risk assessments" which take the form of potential risks and suggested control measures.
The EVC is telling schools that a separate risk assessment form should be filled out identifying the relevant parties etc. (so far so good).
The EVC says that it is perfectly acceptable for the schools to write "As identified on the LEA generic Risk Assessment" in the control measure box of the form.
Now, I think that it gets let down in a number of ways; 1. The generic RA's cover a number of different areas for example the transport RA includes travelling by coach, car, minibus, foot, train and plane, so would it be suitable and sufficient to write "As identified..." etc. when only travelling by coach and foot?
2. Most importantly the EVC is telling schools that the only RA that they need to take on the trip is the one that says "As identified...". The EVC is saying that the risks and control measures would be discussed at a staff briefing but the list of identified risks and the control measures would be left behind in the school.
This goes against the DfES, HSE, AALA (Adventure Activities Licensing Authority) and OEAP (Outdoor Education Advisory Panel) advice, but my protests have fallen on deaf ears.
I would appreciate any comments, advice etc.
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Posted By NeilM Poyznts-Powell
Hi George,
The generic assessment could in my opinion be used as a 'model assessment '. whereby it is used to assist a competent person to carry out a localised risk assessment. However, it would probably be better for the organisations involved to modify their existing risk assessments as and when required to take account of the possible changes in risk. With regard to winning the argument, I would point out that a none specfic assessment would not be seen as suitable and sufficent. This person could be held personally liable for failing to act on concerns raised by a competent person, if an incident occurred!
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Posted By Philby'
George,
I broadly agree with Neils comments except that although organisations must 'modify their existing assessments to take account of changes', it remains the duty of the LEA, as you rightly point out, and their representatives, to carry out their own specific assessment, as per DfES etc...after all, they know their charges better than anyone, they know how they're getting there etc.
The organisations generic assessment, of the location and activity, is there to inform the schools assessment.
Philby'
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Posted By PGJP
Broadly agree with Neil as well. However, would it not just solve the whole thing easier to get hold of an e-copy of the generic assessments, and then cut and paste the relevant parts into a new r/a for the particular trip, so that the irrelevant parts are removed. That way, there is a specific assessment for the particular trip, and all the 'as identified...' part would be unnecessary. The individual circumstances of each trip will vary, although as we know the control measures are substantially the same for any trip by the same transport system (headcounts, seatbelts on coaches etc) so there should not be much reason to change the individual school's version each time. In effect, the school can make their own set of 'generics' from the LEA ones, and then these should be useable as specifics with only very minor adjustments.
Of course, the r/a's from the centres being visited will still be required, and it would be perfectly acceptable to refer to these with 'as identified' clauses for the activity assessments.
The full versions of all relevant assessments would need to be taken on the trip, as they are the only ones which actually refer specifically to the control measures - and since these are the crux of the risk assessment process, it's a meaningless paper exercise if they are simply stuck in a file and not used by those in charge of the trip/activity.
So, I suppose what I am saying is that the EVC in this case, as you say, is giving bad advice.
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