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#1 Posted : 05 May 2006 11:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By AJM I imagine this has been asked before BUT please if i could get an answer. I was recently asked That if Stress is put down on sickness note as work related and the person is off work for longer than 3 days as in RIDDOR, would this be a reportable under RIDDOR. Thanks Alan
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#2 Posted : 05 May 2006 11:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By Adrian Clifton If it is diagnosed as work related, then yes. Stress can lead to ill health which is covered by RIDDOR. The publication INDG281 Work-related Stress, A Short Guide is worth a read. Adrian
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#3 Posted : 05 May 2006 11:43:00(UTC)
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Posted By AJM I have since rang HSE direct and asked if the persons sick note stated the stress was work related would it be reportable under RIDDOR and they are saying it isnt in ordinary circumstances (Clear as mud as usual)They said; Accumulated mental state from reoccurring stimuli (i.e. ordinary stress) is not reportable. BUT if the stress is post traumatic caused by an actual physical injury at work or witnessing of an accident or injury then it is reportable.
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#4 Posted : 05 May 2006 12:18:00(UTC)
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Posted By Gary L Hi AJM Have had the same discussion with the HSE a couiple of years ago I was told that stress is not reportable. However post traumatic stress is reportable if it results from a work related incident. Regards, Gary
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#5 Posted : 05 May 2006 13:24:00(UTC)
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Posted By anon1234 Agree this is as clear as mud. As with others I have previously been advised by the HSE that it isn't reportable and that it is reportable - depends who you ask it seems. However, if it were considered to be reportable I suspect aht more companies would talk a pro-active approach to managing the issue of work-related stress.
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#6 Posted : 05 May 2006 13:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By J Knight No stress wouldn't be reportable as it is not an injury. It also isn't an illness or a disease; it is a physiological response which can be a cause of various physical and psychological conditions. Am I teaching granny to suck eggs? No, my point is that putting 'Stress' down on a sick-note is as useful as a chocolate fire guard, and GPs should know better, john
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#7 Posted : 05 May 2006 14:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By Heather Collins I don't agree it's as clear as mud. It's much clearer than that to me. The three-day-plus category applies only to injuries. A PTSD resulting directly from a defined incident can easily be seen as an injury in the same way that a strain/sprain relating to a specific incident can. Illnesses/diseases are only reportable if they appear on the list in the schedule to the regulations and arise from one of the specific jobs described. Stress arising over a period of time from a variety of causes isn't on this list (yet...) so it isn't reportable. Exactly the same applies for example to an RSI type injury that arises over a period of time (not due to a single incident) and is not one of those specifically listed.
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#8 Posted : 05 May 2006 14:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jim Walker So........... if HSE isn't collecting statistics on lost time due to work related to stress why do (how can) they make statements like "XXXX lost days work are due to stress related illness". My point being that the whole reason for RIDDOR originally (trend monitoring) has now developed into something else.
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#9 Posted : 05 May 2006 14:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By Heather Collins The illness statistics aren't collected just from RIDDOR. The last lot made use of the Labour Force Survey for self-reported work-related ill-health. See here http://www.hse.gov.uk/statistics/sources.htm#lfs
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#10 Posted : 05 May 2006 16:24:00(UTC)
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Posted By kate p As far as i am aware stress is not a registreed illness it is the cause of perhaps high blood pressure (Hypertension) or other mental or physical illness. I was always taught when i studied for my OCR Stress diploma if a doctor wrote Stress on a sick not it required investigating, as how can you be sure that it is work related as everyone does not suffer the same. Strategies should be implemented prior to the person going off and having controlled contact when the person is off, to ascertain the cause
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#11 Posted : 05 May 2006 16:28:00(UTC)
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Posted By anon1234 I agree with the posts that state stress is not reportable under RIDDOR, but some people in the HSE disagree it seems and this can make life complicated even if legally you are on solid ground
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#12 Posted : 05 May 2006 16:43:00(UTC)
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Posted By Simon Walsh Grad IOSH So can we clear this up? Is post traumatic stress reportable, and occupational stress built up over a period of time not reportable? Or is stress (no matter what kind you get) not reportable?
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#13 Posted : 08 May 2006 11:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By J Knight Hi Folks, Please read my previous post and also Kate P's. Stress is not an illness, read HSE's own definitions if you don't believe me; it is a response to intolerable pressure and is a risk factor in the causation of various physical ailments, and can give rise directly to psychological conditions. Stress is a risk factor in hypertension, heart disease, and maybe even some cancers. Stress can cause depression, anxiety disorders, panic attacks and so on. So 'stress' cannot be reportable under RIDDOR in any circumstances, though the illness arising from it could be. Stress on a sick-note is of no use; GPS need to be specific about the illness being suffered by the patient, and not too quick to get patients out of the surgery by writing down whatever they're told, John
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#14 Posted : 08 May 2006 11:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By J Knight In fact, putting stress on a sick note is like writing e.g 'hit by FLT' instead of 'fracture to left leg' or whatever, John
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