Welcome Guest! The IOSH forums are a free resource to both members and non-members. Login or register to use them

Postings made by forum users are personal opinions. IOSH is not responsible for the content or accuracy of any of the information contained in forum postings. Please carefully consider any advice you receive.

Notification

Icon
Error

Options
Go to last post Go to first unread
Admin  
#1 Posted : 12 May 2006 19:42:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By JWG I've been working for an acute NHS trust for over 3 years now and I'm constantly banging my head against the wall. The attitude is, if it costs money then forget it. I could just play the game and put with it but it's affecting my development and moral. Is there anyone out there that used to work for the NHS and now will never look back, or do other industries seem to have the same attitude? I think I just need a kick up the backside to move on
Admin  
#2 Posted : 12 May 2006 20:36:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By Paul Bellis Dont be too hasty - many employers are the same (i speak from experience) further details on request!
Admin  
#3 Posted : 13 May 2006 00:18:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By Simon Walsh Grad IOSH Grab their attention. Produce a paper on the proposals with regards to Corporate Manslaughter and how any changes may affect your employer.
Admin  
#4 Posted : 14 May 2006 08:59:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By Dave Wilson public sector ups and downs, good pension but crap bosses, no money but good friends, corporate killing? they don't care anyway as they could have been prosecuted over the years anyway! Sharehoders or reporting to Board of Governors / Trustees same thing really. Seeing and opportunity to make money and develop and grow and going for it, the NHS are blind!
Admin  
#5 Posted : 14 May 2006 10:55:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By johnwaterson2773 No I had the same problem with getting operators away for training either in house by myself or by a company. It affected the way a team worked but it also would affect the company as well in the long term if these people were not properly trained. So left.
Admin  
#6 Posted : 14 May 2006 18:20:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By steven bentham As they say S U M O Shut up & move on
It's no good moaning about your employer, either move on and try new experiences or keep bashing your head on the brickwall. (try another industry altogether, like construction!) As for writing a paper on corporate manslaughter - yeah right, the prisons are already full.
Admin  
#7 Posted : 15 May 2006 10:02:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By J Knight I think money is always a factor in corporate H&S thinking, but have you considered the voluntary sector? We don't always pay as well as private industry (certainly not as much as high risk industries like mineral extraction and construction etc) but we pay at least as well as the NHS and the working atmsophere is a) more relaxed and b) more congenial to H&S. I haven't worked for the NHS as a safety bod myslef, but a lot of my colleagues are previous NHS people from a variety of roles, and they all love it here, John
Admin  
#8 Posted : 15 May 2006 10:27:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By Gareth Williams JWG, Indicate in the form of a written report how your suggestions will have cost saving benefits for the organisation. Regards Gareth
Admin  
#9 Posted : 15 May 2006 12:26:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By John Webster The important saving for the NHS is in recurring revenue funding. This includes, for example, measures which can demonstrably reduce staff absence (less call on bank/agency/locum cover). Unfortunately, due to the way in which the government dishes out and controls the dosh, (an annual allocation announced just before the start of each financial year) the NHS is virtually unable to spend money in the short term to realise long term savings. Any extra money spent this year will inevitably lead to a cutback elsewhere. However, any savings made cannot be carried forward. Finishing the year with a surplus can be just as embarassing and frustrating, as the saved money just disappears or has to be spent at the last minute (so inevitably is not spent wisely). The private sector, on the otherhand, if convinced of the long term benefit of a project, is able to borrow the money, do the necessary and recoup the repayments from the future savings.
Admin  
#10 Posted : 15 May 2006 14:47:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By DP I was in a similar position to yourself working within the NHS. I got to the point when I felt I had to make the decision and move on. The frustration was overwhelming on occasions. The NHS spent thousands on my development and I did not take the decision to leave lightly after all it's tax payers money. I was in a similar position of many qualified professionals in the NHS where you feel obliged to repay the investment but it grinds you down. I did not want to turn up, go through the motions for 40 years and collect my pension. Unfortunately many of my colleges did and in my opinion that made it worse. Anyone on this thread will not understand unless you have worked in the NHS. I'm now the Distribution Health and Safety Manager for a well know retailer. I have never looked back. My advise! - it's up to you. There is only you who knows you position.
Admin  
#11 Posted : 15 May 2006 18:08:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By Zayed N. I use to change my company every 1 or 1 1/2 year because of the same problem your complaining about...but I learned to get used to it, and her I am in the worst company on earth but still working with them for the past 3 years and I am making a change. cheers sayyadi
Admin  
#12 Posted : 16 May 2006 08:56:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By Alexander Falconer We all strive for perfection in the real world out there, unfortunately employers who do not feature H&S matters high up in their list are actually in the majority. There are some good ones out there, and its a matter of asking the right questions at the interview stage to get a "feel" for the safety culture before taking on the role. Sometimes the grass is greener/on the other hand more often it is not, and boils down to what you are prepared to do to make a difference. Also be wary of being a mercenary jumping from job to job because you do not see eye to eye with the MD/board/senior management who refuse to implement your suggestions - this is a fast and sure way to making yourself unemployable (lets face it would you employ someone with an average employment service of 8 - 12 months, I wouldn't - I want value) Sometimes "Better the devil you know"
Admin  
#13 Posted : 16 May 2006 12:13:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By Jeffrey Watt JWG The Buddha says "Your work is to find your work and then with all your heart, give yourself to it." I was accused today of whistling, as though it was a mortal sin to whistle while you work if your name ain't Sneezy, or Doc. There are some folk who feel it is necessary to be miserable at work just to fit in. JWG if it makes you unhappy move. Pick up some new skills and experience and if your new role starts to [expletive deleted] you off again move again, this time with more range and scope to your CV. And don't blame the kids and the mortgage for keeping you there. Cancel Sky if you need more money, buy a diesel. You're a long time dead, I am flipped if I would stay somehere that did not make me feel like a person or part of the team and it upsets me greatly to here of others suffering in such a way Rant over. Feel better. Kind regards Jeff
Users browsing this topic
Guest (2)
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.