Posted By ME I saw it again recently and in my opinion it is too distressing to show on a general basis. There is a difference between letting people know what can happen and causing distress to people in the name of eduaction. There are plently of other training videos on fire.

Posted By Bill Morrison Have to agree, sometimes shock tactics are whats needed and this video is very effective. I know for sure people having seen this pay far more attention to fire awareness training,and issues relating to fire safety. Bill

Posted By Gerry Newton The West Yorkshire Fire and Rescue Service have a video library which contains videos with some footage of the Bradford Fire edited to a more reasonable level. I don't have access to teh library at the moment as I am working away from home, but if you cannot gat any joy locating it yourself get back to me and I will see what I can find for you.

Posted By Darren Collinswood I have to agree, having had to research a number of such incidents to gain a qualification in disaster management, I am bewildered that anyone should have the need to use such a video in the name of health & safety. Unless you are training football stewards I cannot see the more general relevance. As already said there are many good fire videos out there that can be very effective and of relevance to the modern workplace. After all who actually works in a wooden football stand with a few thousand people stood next to them?

Posted By AlB One of the most hard-hitting and truly eye-opening fire safety films I have ever come accross was one entitled something like "Remember Charlie". It is the story of a guy called Charlie who used to work for Exxon I think (my apologies to the Exxon legal dapartment if I'm incorrect). The film is that of Charlie reciting the scenario to a group of people. It is moving, shocking and really packs a punch. It does not show people dying. It is not graphic. But it is excellent. I don't know where you can get a copy, but I will look around.

Posted By Andy Walker Having recently watched the film yes it is graphic but it does gives an excellent demonstration of just how rapidly a seemingly small fire can spread into a disaster plus the effect of flashover,radiant heat and crowd panic. It may be old but its still relevant. Andy

Posted By Robert Jackson I have footage of the Rhode Island nightclub fire which I use in fire training, it doesnt show anything graphic like the bradford footage but shows clearly how crowds react in an emergency, this case a very fast spreading fire caused by pyros. I found this hit harder than sitting people down to show them the bradford fire which I agree is now dated, having worked for the emergency services I saw the fire brigade footage which was horrendous compared to the TV picture footage So I would be very careful in selecting exactly what to show during presentations Rj

Posted By s mac Our local fire authority have been very helpful in delivering general fire awareness training to staff. A short video which they used, was a real life incident in a well known chain of off-licences, in which a small fire developed near the entrance of the shop. This demonstrated the 'human factor' element, of customers still entering the shop, walking past the fire etc and the employee who was busy at the till serving and did not become aware of the fire until it had escalated. Perhaps your local fire authority may recommend suitable material for training sessions? Good luck in your search.

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Posted By Keithy There is a very good one available centred around the Pipa Alpha Oil Rig fire, I think it was a National Geographic production. Not so graphic but very good with regard to the spread of flame, smoke, timings, lack of action on warning alarms, evacuation routes being bloked and conclusions. Very interesting and might hold your students attention because it's different.

Posted By Chrisinwood Well having read all the threads what a diverse response. All major airports in the UK either have used or still do use this video. Heathrow/Gatwick certainly use to. I would suggest that the video can be used depending on the type of business/persons you are trying to get the message accross to. As to the rights and wrongs of showing the video, and peoples reactions to it, yes some people will make jokes about it.....sadly the world is not full of 'nice' people ..thats life im afraid. The man did die, again very sad, for comments to be made like, 'in the interest of health & safety, people are better off not knowing etc etc' im amazed. These videos arent shown for fun, yes as a shock tactic and why not, if it works and is applicable to your work, i say use it. Silly remarks which are intended to make us ghouls beacuse we want to shock people into realising that fire is dangerous and can kill people and children very quickly should be ignored. Over the years i have attended many road traffic accidents, sadly most being fatalities, pictures taken as evidence have later been used as shock tactics to people who believe that speeding wont kill you, were they upset? Yes a bit, did it work, perhaps half of them. was it worth it? YES Maybe one day we will achieve a culture where we dont have to resort to these types of videos, and everyone is at peace with each other, and the world is a perfect place?

Posted By Amy Upton Talk about 'Bonkers Conkers' come on folks we are here to promote Health & Safety. Using this video/DVD wether rightly or wrongly (in others eyes) may help promote safety where other available media has failed.

Posted By Merv Newman OK. I've seen all of the films mentioned above. I prefer the building research one. It shows, quite dramatically, the SPEED of development of a fire. That, in it's self is a real shocker especially if you count out loud the seconds. The piper alfa one is pretty good but is not really real everyday life. people don't relate to it. Its the sort of stuff you see on telly : people having a tough time thousands of miles away (definition of "adventure") The one in the night club is ok. The audience can maybe understand that you shouldn't always follow the crowd. Bradford ? Never. The first time I saw that film I nearly vomited. Company policy (which I make) is that in our trainings we will never show an injured or distressed person (and never, ever a child) or a body. There are many better ways of getting the message across. Cordially Merv

Posted By The toecap Good morning peeps.Well anyway folks a very good debate. I'm glad to see some good support and some good items to consider. Now bback to the original question. Has anybody got a copy? can those with alternative vids mail me with details please. I dont think the Pippa Alpha vid is the right tool.

Posted By wickedmick I have some details about where you can get a 10 min version of this video which plays on windows media player. michaelandeleanor@f2s.com