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#1 Posted : 05 June 2006 20:31:00(UTC)
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Posted By Andrew Robertson-Böber Odd request but has anyone got any risk assessment material dealing with clubs, bars pubs. I have been trying to source these things but not to much avial. I figure the bulk of things are slip/trips, manual handling and poss violence - but I've not had to think about pubs before, I only ever have been drunk in them. If anyone has anything on this I would be interested to hear. Andrew
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#2 Posted : 06 June 2006 02:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By Pete Wright Andrew, I have discussed this before on another forum without much success. I would have thought that the big brewers would offer a package or professional assistance but this is not the case apparently. Trawling through the brewers web sites did not turn up anything either. I can only add things to consider to your list: PAT testing Handling Gases. Confined space. Sharps. Staff Hygiene. COSHH. Fire Precautions. Pete
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#3 Posted : 06 June 2006 08:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By stevehaigh http://www.pegasusservic...71poiupo659862315468.htm HERE YOU WILL FIND BASIC TEMPLATES FOR CONFINED SPACES MANUAL HANDLING CELLAR ASSESSMENTS calor gas are also a good source of info
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#4 Posted : 06 June 2006 09:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jeffrey Watt Andrew http://www.beerandpub.co...le=Codes%20of%20Practice You may have found this link already at the British Beer an Pub association who represent the interest of the brewing industry. Bit specific to do with installations and beer lines etc. Granted not a lot of guidance to draw from and in my experience they produced some manual handling guides that were fine and specific to the GB market in dealing with 22 gallon barrels and safe cellar drops etc. If you contact them directly they may be able to help. HSE do a publication "Moving and Handling in the Food and drink Industry" I cannot remember if it is a priced publication. It's OK. When our techs went into pubs the usual hazards were poor lighting in stores, unmaintained electrics, broken glasses in dishwashers, carbon dioxide exposure and oxygen depletion risk, manipulating kegs that were stored 2 high, overstocked keg stores forcing them into awkward postures/standing on kegs to get to the pipelines, COSHH from using the line cleaner which was pretty caustic. You also have the fire risk to worry about and violence as you mention, plus noise if there is music and COSHH if their is tobacco smoke. Tell you what why don't I send you what I have and see if that helps. Jeff
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#5 Posted : 06 June 2006 09:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By gham Try this site http://www.beerandpub.co...page.asp?id_Content=2300 This is the British beer and pub association, everything beer and pub related that you need to know And look at this site too there is a legislation section near the bottom on the left hand side http://www.bfbi.org.uk/i...gislation%2F+Information And this site regarding compressed gas; http://www.bcga.co.uk/ Most chains subscribe to these industry bodies, contact the brewer who owns the cellar, if this is the case. Thing to think about include; pest control (rats, mice), cellar flooding (sewerage in particular), CO2 leakage from compressed gas cylinders in cellars, refrigerant leaks from cooler evaporators in cellars (confined space issues), manual handling, Chemical Handling (beer line cleaner is very corrosive and you want to get it all out of the pipes), staff safety (including lone working and it is know for some places to subsidise travel home), security including staff and other customers, fire risk assessment............ Enjoy
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#6 Posted : 06 June 2006 09:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By Allan Kerrigan Do not forget Basic Food Hygiene certificates as well ( ex publican)
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#7 Posted : 06 June 2006 10:40:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul You should also consider Customers carparking and the lighting of... Am curious...If a person were to get drunk and end up driving over the limit and then have an accident killing or injuring the driver or others.. could the Landlord be liable for failing to take a 'duty of care'because he had not trained his employees to stop selling alachol to drivers? They will argue that the purchaser did not appear drunk... Your thoughts?
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#8 Posted : 06 June 2006 10:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alexander Falconer Dont forget to assess anything else that may be different from normal. I know of a good public house in a Livingston shopping centre, in Central Scotland, the brewers (S&N) only discovered (2 days before opening) they hadn't accounted for a cellar??? The solution, had to purchase the unit upstairs from a well known betting giant (at inflated prices) - to my knowledfge this is the only pub I know with a cellar upstairs - True! Its not Friday yet!
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#9 Posted : 06 June 2006 12:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By John-Mark As a Local Authority Inspector, I have just carried out a project inspecting pubs and clubs in my area. I concentrated on Work at Height, Slips & Trips, MSD's, (posture, Manual handling), Workplace Transport (Car Parks, deliveries especially beer delivery across pavements etc)and Stress (in the larger brewery chains). Consider also cellar access, CO2 and other gases, Chemicals including beerline cleaner and glass cleaner, control of contractors, asbestos - very common in old, underground cellars, the cellar drop - maybe angled skids, vertical drops or hoists in underground cellars. Written Risk Assessments will be needed if 5 or more employees, ditto Safety Policy. Hope this helps. JM
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#10 Posted : 06 June 2006 12:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By Simon Walsh Grad IOSH Apologies if this has been mentioned on previous posts, but if your risk assessing pubs how about passive smoking by staff as the ban on smoking in pubs does not come in until Summer next year, and Noise. Some pubs do have music blaring all day.
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#11 Posted : 06 June 2006 13:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alexander Falconer Remember we up in scotland have enforced the smoking laws. The scottish executive website will give you some guidance regarding this, at least this will give you a head start before the law comes into effect in England & Wales next year
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#12 Posted : 07 June 2006 16:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tony Dakin Hi Andrew, I have just spent a couple of years working with The Licensing Unit in a major London Borough doing just what your attempting to do. Drop me an e mail to tonydakin@btconnect.com if you like, telling me what it is you need and where I can help I will. This is my personal e mail, I'm away from home right now but I will get back to you asap. Regards. Tony Dakin
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#13 Posted : 07 June 2006 19:06:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave West I work for brewery supplier and we concentrate our assesments on the delivery from start to finish. although we are a large brewery we no longer own pubs so this does not come under assessments but if i can be of any help please feel free to mail me. Dave
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#14 Posted : 07 June 2006 19:10:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave West p.s john Mark who left a response i would be really interested in your findings as i am a student studying NEBOSH general. Anything i can take foward to improve my assessments and controls would be a bonus. Dave
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#15 Posted : 08 June 2006 09:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By John-Mark Dave, drop me a line at graham.johnson@nuneatonandbedworth.gov.uk or ring me on 024 7637 6135 and I will do anything I can to help.
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