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#1 Posted : 07 June 2006 14:46:00(UTC)
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Posted By Nick Incles Could anyone give me any information on future workplace smoking ban at our place of work we are starting a smoking ban committee to see which route we have to take and the best way to go about it. Do we have to get rid of the designated smoke room by law or is it a choice we have?
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#2 Posted : 07 June 2006 15:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By J Knight The English law will in operation mirror the Scottish one; there will be no smoking allowed in 'enclosed' workplaces. Enclosed means more than 50% enclosed, so two walls is OK, or walls made out of a lattice which is 50% holes (if you see what I mean), or walls with very big open windows etc etc. This is how it looks to me at any rate. There will be some exceptions for a small number of types of workplaces, and as Jackw has pointed out on this forum the wording in Scotland does allow workers to use smoking rooms where they are allowed for e.g. people living in Registered Care premises, though this is not I think what was intended, john
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#3 Posted : 07 June 2006 22:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By Cathy Ricketts http://www.iosh.co.uk/fi.../Abreathoffreshair%2Epdf Visit some of the links from this document - also ROSPA had an article in a recent newsletter on this subject - smoking rooms are out (I'm going to enjoy this one - sorry smokers I am trying to be very supportive and I know how important the nicotine is to reducing the stress levels!!) there are a number of exemptions including prisons, and hotels
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#4 Posted : 08 June 2006 09:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By Calum Clark John I don't know what the English law will be like but, under the Scots law, when calculating the 50% enlcosed rule you must presume all windows and doors are closed. Therefore the only thing you can really do is a 2 sided smoking shelter or a three sided one where the roof juts out. See http://www.clearingtheai...d.com/faqs/shelters.html Calum
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#5 Posted : 08 June 2006 09:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mike Herbert I too am looking at this to be ready for when the ban comes in. We have a no smoking policy in place already in our offices and policing this is not a problem. Staff, smokers and non alike, accept this. BUT.... The people we work with (social care)have a number of complex problems including severe substance misuse and alcohol problems. We try to help these people overcome their problems hopefully to the benefit of society as a whole and having those backgrounds it is inevitable that smoking is a big part of the 'therapy' (and frankly a small part of their larger problem). The consequences of them smoking in our premises (usually one room)are our next problem. To ban it would mean that the clients will congregate on the street outside which may breach some conditions of our leases and lead to potentially violent situations. We need to facilitate these people being able to continue smoking in some way in order that we may continue to engage with them to move on from their existing problems. In some cases we can put in the bus shelter idea but in others the existance of a smoking room may be vital to continue our work effectively. As an ex smoker myself it is easy to be sanctimonious and say 'tough - its banned' but this is a real problem and i would be interested in any creative means of legitamately getting through this. By the way, the health of our staff is of paramount importance as an employer and a subject we do not take lightly. Sorry to hi-jack your thread a little but it may lead to some interesting solutions. Thoughts anyone? thanks mike
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#6 Posted : 08 June 2006 10:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By jackw. Hi, As I indicated above the law here in Scotland is very specific and non-negotiable. We are a very large social work department (3500+ employees). The issues I outlined re day centres for elderly are the same in the ones for recovering addicts (alcohol, drugs etc.) and those recovering from mental health issues and brain injury accidents. Up here the law does not allow us to have smoking rooms, full stop. You/we can only attempt to direct people, staff and clients, to areas outside the property were they will hopefully not come into conflict with the public and cause any grief re landlords, and other employers in shared premises. One other issue, which you may not have considered, is the fact that the clients will just stop coming to centres, day care etc. Thus no longer accessing much needed support, therapy etc. Sorry can’t be more positive for you. Cheers
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#7 Posted : 08 June 2006 10:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By J Knight Hi Calum, I was assuming in my thread that 'windows' would be just holes, rather than being filled with glass, but that's not clear from what I actually wrote, John
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#8 Posted : 08 June 2006 12:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By Aidan Toner Always seems to be a disposition towards have we got the shelter right????-We have taken a longer,more expensive but honest approach.External shelters already in existence were given a two month notice of removal,financial committment was made to run 2 cessation programmes per annum (every year for as long as it takes)for all persons wishing to quit.Cost was met towards nicitine replacement therapy etc.Time given to attend sessions. Employers must realise shelters GENERALLY cause unnecssary friction between smokers and nonsmokers in terms of differing break allowances.Today employment/social/civil compensation legistation is not too indisposed towards these shelters-The tide is turning and down the line employers will be deemed culpable in aiding and abetting an employees addidiction.
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#9 Posted : 08 June 2006 12:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By ENGLAND WILL WIN THE WORLD CUP. We have also offered to help people give up smoking, but unfortunatly not everyone wants to give up.As a company do we have to suply a shelter for those people who will still need the intake of nicotene?
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#10 Posted : 08 June 2006 13:02:00(UTC)
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Posted By Aidan Toner To EWWTWC-(Cant bring myself to say it let alone write it!) In answer to your question-Yes I fully appreciate all will NOT avail of a cessation programme.Our own experience is testimony to that.I would point out that assisting an addiction is however contrary to any employee wellbeing programme you may wish to consider or presently have in place.
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#11 Posted : 08 June 2006 13:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By J Knight Well, first mention of the world cup here; personally I find that snooker just goes completely over my head. In response to your query ENGLAND WILL WIN etc, employers are under no obligation to provide facilities for smokers at all. Yes, I know that the guidance to the Workplace regs talks about suitable facilities for smokers and non-smokers, but subsequent ETs etc have found that employers do not have to cater for smokers; indeed, many NHS premises are non-smoking up to the car park boundary. I'm not saying you shouldn't, as that's a matter for individual employers to decide, all I'm saying is that you don't have to, John
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#12 Posted : 08 June 2006 16:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By Philby' NicK include smokers on your committe, I was included for this, and the obvious H&S side, most were supprised by my commitment and the policy became easier to swallow by the smokers..were not all shallow passive killers, despite how we are sometimes generalised. Philby'
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#13 Posted : 09 June 2006 09:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By ENGLAND WILL WIN THE WORLD CUP. We have a committee that include smokers,non smokers and those like myself people who have recently given up smoking.http://www.ash.org.uk/html/factsheets/html/fact14.html the link I have posted has some useful information.
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#14 Posted : 09 June 2006 13:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By jackw. Hi, if you are outside scotland then you can currently still provide a smoke room so long as it is properly vented, regularly checked, has a self closing door etc. A smoke detector placed outside the room could be helpful if the residue of smoking causes a fire in the room. Up here in scotland (what world cup), you can not allow people to smoke within an enclosed space, with a few exceptions.. e.g. residential care homes for adults/elderly but they can only smoke in a designated smoke room with all of the above in place. You will probably find similar restrictions when the new law comes into force in england and wales as I doub't the govt will wish to have different standards accross the UK. However there is no requirement to provide any type of smoke room/area for staff.. The wefare regs on this are aimed at protecting non smokers by giving them a seperate smoke free area. hope this helps Cheers
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