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#1 Posted : 11 June 2006 08:40:00(UTC)
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Posted By David J May I ask, Those of you who are already working in such a role under a signed fulltime contract with a company, Does the company cover you under it's insurance, or do you attain your own seperate indemnity cover? May have an interview for a role as EHS advisor next week & would like to be assured of the situation before I attend. Also, what is this HSG65, I am aware of OHSAS 18001, are they the same thing, just under a different guise? Any other good interview pointers would be greatly appreciated folks. Sincerely. David J
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#2 Posted : 11 June 2006 09:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By DJ David, I fully appreciate your position regarding indemnity insurance, but I am deeply concerned that you are going for a job as an "EHS advisor" and you do not know what HSG65 is. If you care to give me a call on 07765 405235, I will be happy to try and assist. Regards. DJ
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#3 Posted : 11 June 2006 09:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By David J Sorry, this shocks you DJ, I live in the Rep.Ireland & there is no mention of this HSG65 in our legislation or our OHS state web sites.
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#4 Posted : 11 June 2006 09:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By David J can only assume that hsg65 is a UK set of principles & procedures laid out by the UK hse, where as we in the Rep.Ireland work predominantly of OHSAS 18001 or ISA 2000, is hsg65 simply a HSE spin on OHS mgt systems?
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#5 Posted : 11 June 2006 11:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By Saracen11 Hi David, if your interview is in the UK, you'll need to know the basic information within HSG65. An earlier thread on this forum had some usuful nmumonics about H&S, HSG65 was covered - it's a good starting point for you to find out more about each area. Don't try and bluff your interview, if you don't know it, say so. The interviewer should know as much as, if not more about the topic areas of the interview than any interviewee (but not always). If you try and bluff it, it'll be obvious you aren't as familiar on that subject as you're making out to be. Good luck with the interview. Regards
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#6 Posted : 11 June 2006 12:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By Adrian Watson EH 65 is a HS management model based on deemings PDCA, Plan Do Check Act Model, with organise put up front and with an Audit Loop. Regards Adrian Watson
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#7 Posted : 11 June 2006 16:10:00(UTC)
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Posted By AMJAD AL ATA Hi David HSG-65 is a pure advisory (no leagl status)guidance issued by HSE & its purpose is to provide a model for managing OHS. (for future - not the interview - you can visit HSE website to buy it, I think it is useful & may help in the understanding of other OHS-MS models). The main headings of HSG-65 are: 1- setting policy, and 2- orgnising, (responsibilities of all staff regarding OHS) and 3- Planning & implementing, (risk assessment & control measures) and 4- Monitoring Performance, and 5- Reveiwing Performance. Then the management cycle to be closed by feedbak & Auditing. I hope this helps & not to late. Good luck, Amjad
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#8 Posted : 11 June 2006 16:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By David J Thanks folks, was begining to figure it was a HSE publication. Interview is in the republic so will tie it into OHS 18001. Anyone fill me in on the insurance deal regarding indemnity paid by employers or should i get my own on top of the employers?
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#9 Posted : 11 June 2006 17:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By Saracen11 Hi David, in this context, any work you do whilst employed and providing it is within your remit, will be covered by your employers insurance. If you do any outside consultancy work within your normal working hours and there's a problem (I'm talking about work you are paid to do) i.e. the receiver of your advice/services ends up breaching H&S legislation because of what you've told them, you may find after that person has finished with you (in the courts or on the carpark - whichever is most fitting) your employers insurers will not want to know either... There is some case history regarding this - Fatty A'buckles???? Apologies if I have this wrong! If you are doing consultancy work though, I'd definatly advice some PII. Regards
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#10 Posted : 11 June 2006 19:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By David J thank you sarasen, was just a bit worried that in an event of a negative occurance which brought about a court case, there may be a measure of responsability on me, & was curious if the courts could fine me. I come from a cheffing background & as a member of staff I could well have been found negligent had I played a part in somehow allowing a situation arise which caused a person to become sick or die. Just curious to know like in cheffing could I be found part liable of negligence & have to pay damages along with my employer?
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#11 Posted : 11 June 2006 20:31:00(UTC)
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Posted By Saracen11 Hi David, don't forget HSW section 7&8 and MHSWR reg 14... Regards
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#12 Posted : 11 June 2006 20:34:00(UTC)
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Posted By Saracen11 Hi David (again), Also consider HSW section 36... Regards
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#13 Posted : 11 June 2006 21:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jack David has said that the job is in the Republic of Ireland. I don't think it's very helpful to keep quoting sections of UK legislation at him!
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#14 Posted : 11 June 2006 21:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By Saracen11 Hi Jack, I’m aware the job is in Ireland. Not totally knowing the similarities between the legislation in the UK and over there, I thought it useful to point David in the right direction in terms of what is in place in the UK… can you give any guidance on what specific legislation would apply in Ireland in the scenario given by David? “In an event of a negative occurance which brought about a court case, there may be a measure of responsability on me, & was curious if the courts could fine me”. “Had I played a part in somehow allowing a situation arise which caused a person to become sick or die. Just curious to know like in cheffing could I be found part liable of negligence & have to pay damages along with my employer?” Regards
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#15 Posted : 12 June 2006 08:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By David J Okay, let me ask the question in the simplest form. Do those of you who are employwed by a company as a EHS advisor have your own indemnity policiesn on top of your employers insurance cover? yes or no. Thanks folks.
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#16 Posted : 12 June 2006 09:40:00(UTC)
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Posted By Peter Longworth No
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#17 Posted : 12 June 2006 12:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By steve e ashton David I suspect you may not fully understand the difference between being sued and being prosecuted. If as a result of your negligence or breach of statutory duty, someone is injured, then the injured person may sue for damages - and they will normally be advised to sue your employer - so your employers insurance will provide the indemnity. So - no - we don't generally carry personal insurance in the UK. (There is a theoretical risk that the employer or his insurer could seek to recover any damages awarded from you - in practice, to the best of my knowledge, this has never happened in the UK). If as a result of your breach of legislation, HSE (HSA in Ireland) decide to prosecute they may decide to prosecute your employer as being the responsible party - or they may decide to prosecute you. If your employer is prosecuted, then any fines imposed must be paid by the company - it is not possible to insure against criminal activity. The Company will pay its own legal teams, and any fines. If the HSA prosecutes you the individual - then - OH DEAR - it will be up to you to foot the bill for your legal defence and any penalty imposed. Some employers will provide legal support for their employees - but not all, and there is generally no obligation on them to do so. It is not possible to take out insurance to cover these costs. This position is the same whether you are a safety professional or a chef. Hope this helps to clarify a little. Steve
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#18 Posted : 12 June 2006 12:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By David J thank you for clarifying that Steve
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#19 Posted : 12 June 2006 16:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jeffrey Watt David As Steve says OH DEAR. My employer provides seperate professional indemnity insurance for all its engineers, accountants etc including me as a "professional graded person." I wouldn't die in a ditch over it Dave if it was a good job,as you could pick up your own for 3-400 Euros I would guess. Jeff
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