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#1 Posted : 16 June 2006 13:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By naomi Has any one got a risk assessment on gutter cleaning on houses using ladders please.
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#2 Posted : 16 June 2006 14:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By The toecap Can it be done from the ground? If not can you use a system such as easidec? Then ask yourself what if i use a ladder? Will it need to be footed, tied in, will i use a stabiliser? Also, never work at height alone. Can you give the thread any further details
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#3 Posted : 16 June 2006 14:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By Charley Farley-Trelawney There is now available a system whereby the operator need not leave the ground, this is all via suction and the equipment I saw demonstrated removed house bricks from the gutter. (Now who the heck put a brick in the gutter in the first place???) CFT
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#4 Posted : 16 June 2006 14:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By The toecap Good stuff. I suppose a hrad hat would be a good option with eye protection also
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#5 Posted : 16 June 2006 14:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By The toecap Maybe a HARD hat instead
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#6 Posted : 16 June 2006 15:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By The toecap Check this out. www.speedyhire.co.uk/_im...safety/HA5_roof_work.pdf
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#7 Posted : 16 June 2006 15:33:00(UTC)
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Posted By naomi Hi Toecap I work for a housing association (newly appointed!) and the HSE are coming on Monday to look at what systems we have in place regarding WAH. Currently we use ladders for cleaning out the guttering hence the need for a risk assessment pretty quick (as we don't have one!) The majority of our work is carried out by contractors or we use mobile scaffolding but on this we still use ladders, obviously new measures will have to be implemented but as I only found out today they are coming and I am not at work I could do with some assisstance. Hope you can help!!
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#8 Posted : 16 June 2006 15:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By The toecap Firstly get a procedure. If not ask the subbies if they are aware of the regs etc. Dont be worried its not your fault. Its some other dope who works as a buyer who hasn't a clue about this kind of thing. Stand by i'll see wat i can find
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#9 Posted : 16 June 2006 15:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By naomi Thanks Toecap.
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#10 Posted : 16 June 2006 15:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis CFT You should see what students manage to get into the gutters. A brick is a minor inconvenience compared to their performance. Bob:-)
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#11 Posted : 19 June 2006 14:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Doe Can't add anything to the good stuff already posted, but this thread puts me in mind of a great aspirational (realistsic division) quote I once overheard: We're all in the gutter but some of us are looking at the kerb Probably better placed over on the 'What is your purpose in life' thread.
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#12 Posted : 19 June 2006 16:33:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mumtaz Mahmood This is not a risk assessment as such, but funnily enough, I climbed up a ladder to clean the gutter in one part of my house yesterday. I had attended a Ladder Safety Seminar at HSE recently and I managed to do the following things. 1. Choose a stable spot to place the ladder. If ground was not level, I used a piece of wood to wedge it flat. 2. I asked someone to hold the ladder below. 3. I wore proper shoes and tried my new high visibility jacket! 4. I did not over reach to destabilise myself. 5. I did not look down! Please dont treat it as a risk assessment!
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#13 Posted : 19 June 2006 16:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alan Hoskins The Hi-Vis jacket was so they could find you easily if you fell off...? Alan
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#14 Posted : 19 June 2006 16:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis By the sound of it you failed as you seem to have used what is termed a loose wedge, ie a wedge placed under a single stile. Just goes to show how complicated ladders really are. My best assessment on them is don't climb it yourself, get someone else to do it. It is called Risk Export. Bob:-)
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#15 Posted : 19 June 2006 16:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mumtaz Mahmood It was not a loose wedge actually. It was a long flat piece of wood which touched both the ladder posts. Hope this was ok
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#16 Posted : 19 June 2006 17:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis Wedging ladders is an art in itself. The packing has to be such that there is always loading onto the packing material by one stile or the other at any time. It also has to be a single entity. So you sound to have got it correct. I still prefer others to climb:-) Bob
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#17 Posted : 19 June 2006 17:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mumtaz Mahmood Many thanks, this forum is quite good
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#18 Posted : 19 June 2006 17:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mumtaz Mahmood Is anybody doing anything on Young People at Work in the OCt health and safety week this year?
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#19 Posted : 19 June 2006 19:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By Merv Newman Speaking of gutter cleaning etc. When we (and I do mean WE) built this house about 20 years ago I installed anchoring points below the eaves so that I could later tie off a ladder. (wife does the initial footing) Also, just reminiscing here, wasn't there a story about cambridge students balancing a ford 7 or a prefect on top of the senate house ? In the dark ? Would love to have seen the mission statement, the risk assessment and the ssow. Those guys are probably managing large companies today. Or on the dole. How did the "authorities" get it down ? (we're talking 1960's here) I do know how they got the chamber pot off of the flagpole ; 0.22 rifle. But next years panties were not so easy.
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#20 Posted : 19 June 2006 23:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mike Miller Just in case anyone was not aware the HSE have announced a blitz on building maintenance. Because housebuilding has slowed down and social housing refurbishment(decent Homes Standard) has taken off, the HSE have now switched their attention to us. Not before time in my opinion? Ladders & stepladders are a favourite with the HSE. My employer will not allow them on site unless they can demonstrate that there is no other suitable means of access, then and only then they will say yes providing a suitable risk assessment and methiod statement is produced. Then we issue a permit to work! The method prefered is room podiums (small towers) or hop ups. Harsh I know but control is the key! regards and good luck with the risk assessments.
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