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#1 Posted : 20 June 2006 18:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By nicolas hello All Recent research indicates that psoriasis is likely to be a disorder of the immune system, causes activity by T cells.These T cells trigger the inflammation and excessive skin cell reproduction seen in people with psoriasis. The immune system of the psoriasis patient start sending false signals. The skin then believes that it has been under attack and needs to rapidly regenerate in order to heal faster. One of the messengers often used by T cells is the TNF (Tumor Necrosis Factor) which is one of the first cytokines (mechanism by which cells communicate with one another) that appear during an inflammatory response. Unfortunate is the fact that T Cells usually call more T cells to help them control the false attack, causing the snow ball effect, spreading the psoriasis to other parts of skin in body. The basic defect lies within the skin cells themselves. A delicate balance between two internal control compounds: cAMP (cyclic adenosine monophosphate) and cGMP (cyclic gaunosine monophosphate), which are second messengers that carry signals from the cell surface to proteins within the cell, and controls the rate at which cells divide. Increases in cyclic GMP are associated with increased cell proliferation. Conversely, increased levels of cyclic AMP are associated with enhanced cell maturation and decreased cell proliferation. The investigation of these second messengers (cAMP, cGMP) may help to provide a clearer understanding of the physiology and pathology of psoriasis disease state (both decreased cAMP and increased cGMP have been measured in the skin of individuals with psoriasis). ======= In precise experimental conditions of frequency and duration of exposure, the cAMP-dependent protein kinase ( an enzyme that modifies other proteins by chemically adding phosphate groups to them, regulating the majority of cellular pathways, especially those involved in the transmission of signals within the cell) of human lymphocytes (a type of white blood cell involved in the human body's immune system) has been inhibited by electromagnetic waves. ====Rebalancing the cyclic AMP & GMP is a prime electromagnetic-therapeutic goal.==== p.s. If anybody interested I will speak about the electromagnetic-therapy nicolas
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#2 Posted : 20 June 2006 19:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By Rob Yuill I'm obviously missing the OSH link here. I know Psoriasis can be agravated by certain environmental conditions and of course stress, but what is the question? Sounds like a sales pitch, and I thought they were BANNED! Rob
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#3 Posted : 20 June 2006 21:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By nicolas Hi Bob It is not a sales pitch!-I don’t try to sale nothing. I am sure you never had P related diseases... you are really lucky. I would like to wish you good luck and a long and healthy life continually. After fifty years of hardship with Psoriasis, Dry-Skin and Psoriasis Arthritis I stumbled on some laboratory research information websites. I am not a physician or a medical professional, that’s why I needed months to understand the basic defect of P, PA and DS. I’d like to have professional or self experience opinions about P related diseases and alternative therapy - this much!! nicolas
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#4 Posted : 21 June 2006 22:18:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave Wilson Nicholas, Sorry to hear about your ailment matey but in all honesty whats this got to do with H&S?
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#5 Posted : 22 June 2006 09:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jeffrey Watt Nicolas Thanks for the post. I see a valid health issue here. Psoriasis was thought for years to be brought on by different factors some of them occupational like the substances you are using, others thought they were genetic and others stress. This piece of quoted research is showing an immune respone, a self destruct signal in the body, which would suggest that working with MWfluids "ain't causing your psoriasis mate." I think this is valid and of general interest to those in Occ health. Fell free to disagree/purge/strike/discuss. Jeff
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#6 Posted : 22 June 2006 09:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By 9-Ship Having had mild Psoriasis for a few years, I read this post with interest. However, I'm not sure how to respond - in my case I'm pretty sure it is not work related (suppressed immune system/stress was suggested by my doc - don't think I'm stressed) Neither do I want to dismiss this post, if there is a occ health implication etc. I do feel the overall approach to the posting is, shall we say, 'different' - but I have to say suddenly bursting into what appears to be quite heavy dermatology, sounds less than convincing and only semi-scientific. To admit that nicholas is not medically qualified (2nd posting by nicholas) raises concerns that the original posting has simply been copied out of the last medical text book that was looked at by n. Then to drop the puch line that, really he is trying to drum up business for the electro-therapy leaves many doubts about this post and breaching of the AUG - selling medical services etc etc While I would be the last person to 'have a go' about poor grammar and word style - the post does not come across as professional from that point of view either - however I am prepared to more than accept nicholas maybe a foreign national, which would explain this. What do others think?
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#7 Posted : 22 June 2006 09:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By Peter Taylor14 Whats the question/issue??? Or does nickolas just want to tell us he has an illness?
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#8 Posted : 22 June 2006 09:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By naomi nicholas I have suffered from psoriasis for over 30years and at times covering 80% of my body. I was told on many occasions that it would flare up if I worked with chemicals or had a stressful job (or if I ate chocolate!!!) thank god the latter was unfounded. I have been prescribed a wonderful drug called ciclosporian which has worked wonders and my skin is free from psoriasis (2 years now) Naomi
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#9 Posted : 22 June 2006 10:10:00(UTC)
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Posted By Patrick Guyomard Dave just to give a reply to whats this got to do with H&S? If you're interested look up North Somerset Council v Brian Farmiloe, a conflict between H&S legislation and the DDA - H&S prevailed http://www.oldsquarecham...ases/newcase.asp?case=30 Regards Pad
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#10 Posted : 22 June 2006 14:36:00(UTC)
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Posted By nicolas hi All Psoriasis is a chronic autoimmune disease experienced by an estimated 9 million North-Americans and about 80 million people around the world. Psoriasis is often misunderstood by the public, and this can make social interactions awkward. This may lead to emotional problems such as anxiety, anger, embarrassment, and depression. Somewhere in North -America : I./ I am a recent law school graduate who has been interviewing with law firms, and have gotten a variety of statements that I'm not sure how to deal with. 1) We won't hire you because we can't put you in front of a client, because the client will run. 2) You have flakes on your clothes, we can't hire you because clients would run. 3) You will always start off with negative points in the interviewing process because of your skin condition. Also, from some faculty: You come across as being untruthful, because you have red on your face. We all know that people who are red in the face lie. Therefore, it's a legitimate reason to not hire you. II./ C. 25, was working at a store until last April when a corporate official told her customers were concerned that the psoriasis, visible on her face and arms, was contagious. She assured the official that her genetic condition was not contagious, but was nonetheless instructed to wear long sleeves on the job to cover up the psoriasis and regularly clean her arms. She initially complied, but found that it worsened the condition. C. alleged a superior fired her last May because she wasn't "cleaning up" her arms................ Electromagnetic-therapy, a noninvasive, without side effects, drug-free form of treatment might be preferable to beginning new medication. Medical regulations are not yet implemented for these illnesses, and as such, are not on any doctors lists. I don‘t know how, but must help someway the laboratory researches.........Maybe, by making a public display of not understanding psoriasis.......AIDS funding was fueled by media attention!! nicolas ( the foreign national )
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#11 Posted : 22 June 2006 14:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By Glyn Atkinson Unfortunately , by not starting off with an opening explanation to why the many facts and quotes given should be read and and understood by those on here who may have connections with issues involving Occupational Health, Nicolas has immediately alienated himself from the casual reader. If, as he states he is not selling anything, but rather soliciting opinions about the therapy mentioned, he would be better asking for anyone with like skin disease histories to discuss their symptoms and any available medicines or relief. Make it into a two way discussion, not throw lots of blocks of facts at us, then we can appreciate what can be a very unsettling disease for some sufferers. Points about fair interviews and bias against appearance have been lost within a rush of long bulky paragraghs. Here's a question from me - if someone with this skin ailment came for an interview, could you see past the skin to give a fair appraisal of their quality of work, and future worth to your company?
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#12 Posted : 22 June 2006 16:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By naomi Glyn I would not hesitate to give some-one a job if they were a sufferer as I am one to. But it would depend on the job. I can't use certain products as it flares it up so it would not be wise to offer some one a position they know would affect it. I do think there is a hidden agenda in this forum as it seems to not want to ask any questions. well done Glyn for mentioning it. Naomi
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#13 Posted : 23 June 2006 09:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By Glyn Atkinson My second question- after going through the whole thread carefully again, and after Naomi's kind comments - is to ask Nicolas whether his agenda is to educate people, or to have a dig because of a job interview that may have gone wrong on the grounds of the ailment being obvious to the interviewer. As people have stated, there appears to be some vitriol within the bulky paragraphs, and the supposed message behind the thread is getting quite lost and hard to bother trying to take in. The Occupation Health - equality at interview issues are quite interesting, as are any discrimination points that have been raised.
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#14 Posted : 24 July 2006 15:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By Les Welling Having developed Psoriasis very recently after a very stressful time at work, I can beleive that this was brought on by stress. I have now changed jobs!!! My employer did not beleive that this was caused by stress. My doctor did though!
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