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#1 Posted : 29 June 2006 13:49:00(UTC)
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Posted By ME I have noted that there are several people that have expressed concern at the tone and choice of words of some of my postings. I have never intentionally set about to offend anyone and if I have then I genuinely apologise. I would like to point out though that not everyone has been offended by my postings and that this may be because some people have chosen to interpret my words differently to others. I would also like to point out that I have been equally offended by the tone and words of other people's postings. Neverthless I apologise unreservedly and shall not be contributing to any further threads. Regards
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#2 Posted : 29 June 2006 14:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By Andrew Cartridge ME Remember, "You can please some of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time" -- Abraham Lincoln. Don't take it to heart. Andy
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#3 Posted : 29 June 2006 14:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By Arran Linton - Smith Andrew, I thought Abraham Lincoln’s quote was: “ You can please some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time”. Strange what you remember?
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#4 Posted : 29 June 2006 14:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By Max Bancroft ME - this is intriguing - can you point us in the direction of some of these postings so we can see what was wrong with them. Thanks.
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#5 Posted : 29 June 2006 14:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By Arran Linton - Smith Andrew, I thought Abraham Lincoln’s quote was: “ You can please some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time”. Strange what you remember!
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#6 Posted : 29 June 2006 14:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By JAI Quote from past thread I am not paid to keep the managers happy, and I'm not paid to give them friendly advice (although this has to be a part of the job), but my role is to protect the interests of the business and avoid damaging claims and loss of reputation. This obviously directly results in protection of people as well, and in most instances gets the results easieer and quicker than just presenting a people safety message on its own. Keep at it, keep rattling away at management when they put the safety of their employees or the public at risk, and if anyone ever challenges you, let them know that it is in the interest of themselves and the business to listen. But also remember - you won't always be right! Keep at it you can't keep everyone happy
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#7 Posted : 29 June 2006 14:40:00(UTC)
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Posted By Fornhelper ME, You have provided a lot of useful contributions on a variety of subjects on this forum. These have provided me (and I am sure other forum users) with excellent advice and, more importantly, 'food for thought'. I may not always agree with another practitioners view but I welcome the opportunity to discuss their views and respect their right to express them. As we all know 'health & safety' can be a lonely business sometimes. I appreciate that your decision to stop contributing to the forum is a personal decision but, for the benefit of H&S professionals who use the forum to seek advice and take on board the varying opinions, arguments, etc before forming their own professional opinions, I would ask that you reconsider and continue to contribute. Your contributions add to postings and the wider the debate the more learning opportunities for us all. FH
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#8 Posted : 29 June 2006 15:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By Andrew Cartridge Arran Nicked from Google, blame them.... ;-) Andy
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#9 Posted : 29 June 2006 17:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By Merv Newman ME Stick with it, please. Quite a few of us get turned over by the monitors and slagged off by fellow professionals. Rough with the smooth, swings and roundabouts, blood is thicker than water (wot ?) Never mind. And I thought that HSE inspectors were all thick skinned, hard hearted, bone headed, um, left-handed gentlemen (?) (the left-handed reference is an heraldic legacy and is not intended to cause pain, to denigrate nor to insult any person with a similar physical condition) You're just a softy really And I thought your more technical comments on "working at heights" were perfectly correct. Merv
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#10 Posted : 29 June 2006 17:43:00(UTC)
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Posted By Andrew W ME I wont run to a long drawn out sentimental message however, I will say I always find your comments informative and interesting and so what if you do ruffle a few feathers. If you believe you're right then go for it. Keep contibuting keep ruffling feathers keep it interesting and keep it in the real world Andy W
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#11 Posted : 29 June 2006 18:52:00(UTC)
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Posted By Raymond Rapp ME It takes a 'big' man to apologise (sorry is the hardest word), so feel heartened by the support of your colleagues. If we all went to ground for saying or writing something we regretted later there would be no one left to contribute. We all have different opinions, thank God, but we can also voice them without using offending terms in a civilised society. Just bounce back from it. Regards Ray
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#12 Posted : 29 June 2006 19:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By steven bentham Inspectors are thick skinned and bone-headed (I'm not sure about the left handed bit). No need to apologise. If you can't say what you believe you should go work in Personnel!! I apologise in advance for anyone who works in Personnel.
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#13 Posted : 29 June 2006 21:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By Al.. Keep on posting Mr/Mrs/Ms/Miss ME Sometimes things are simply black or white with no shades of grey and no room for personal interpretation. Then we should stop the waffle, cut to the chase and state the facts as they are. You do that. Many of us appreciate it. Al
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#14 Posted : 30 June 2006 11:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By Richard Davis ME We all have different ways in which we express ourselves..... both you and I seem to prefer a straight forward, non-waffly and pompus approach. Others here prefer the latter :) Each to their own, opinions are just that... stick with it buddy. Kind Regards (to all....yup and you CK)!
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#15 Posted : 03 July 2006 13:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By Christopher Kelly ME - apology is all that matters - stick in there. Richard - r u referring to me ? As I said before - apologies if I upset anyone - it wasn't intended.
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#16 Posted : 03 July 2006 13:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By Antony Ferguson Does anyone out there have a powerpoint presentation on the Buncefield disaster? Looked on the HSE website and others, to no avail.
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#17 Posted : 03 July 2006 15:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By Glyn Atkinson Isn't Personnel now Human Resources??
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#18 Posted : 03 July 2006 15:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By Philby' Me, sorry for the pun but, ME & You both...don't let it bother you, Publish and be damned, or something like that Philby'
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#19 Posted : 03 July 2006 15:40:00(UTC)
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Posted By Hilary Charlton Don't give up - we all jump in feet first and then realise afterwards that we may have made a bit of a prat of ourselves or upset someone - it happens. For the most part the threads and advice coming from the forum are excellent and, like with the television, if people don't like it they don't have to have it on now do they? Don't be put off just because your view differs from someone else's - if we were all the same life would be very dull. Hilary
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#20 Posted : 04 July 2006 10:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By Nigel Hammond I posted a thread 'interpersonal skills' asking people to be polite and courteous to each other. Originally, I wasn't even going to draw attention to specific examples but as the thread developed, I was getting various adversary replies and comments that meant that I needed to illustrate with examples. 'ME', the last thing I wanted is for you or anyone else to withdraw from the forum. What ever your reasons for taking this step, you have many supporters. Judging by the responses on this thread and the thread I posted, I seem to hold a minority view that H&S people should be polite and courteous to one another (and the rest of the World). If we want respect from others – including managers, directors and the media – as is often discussed on this forum, we need to give respect to others. Remember this forum carries the IOSH name and is easily searchable through Google.
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#21 Posted : 04 July 2006 10:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By Max Bancroft Nigel is correct - we must get the right mixture - it is easy to go over the line from being robust to being rude. There are times when we do need to tell someone that they are being stupid - their actions are putting themselves/workmates/junior colleagues etc at serious risk. But we must remember that roaring and shouting can also be a turn-off. Perhaps most of us, with the new CPD system and its requirement to look wider than just ticking off a list of safety updating courses attended should look at this apsect of being a good h&S officer - how do we persuade people to do what we want. And, of course, it applies to discussions between ourselves as professionals.
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