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#1 Posted : 05 July 2006 13:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By J Knight Hi Folks, I know that the Scottish law forbids smoking 'indoors', and that 'indoors' is taken to mean more than 50% enclosed. The English and Welsh law will probably follow suite. Well, lots of our shops have small backyards, not much bigger, if at all, than the interior rooms; these can have walls up to 3 metres high or more. Is this indoors in the meaning of the Scottish law? I know that in 'common-sense' terms its outside, but what about in lergal terms, John
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#2 Posted : 05 July 2006 13:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By AjSaunders The law is very clear and uses the terms partially or wholly enlosed - accepted as being 50%. Any structure or building therefore which is less than 50% enclosed on totality of all sides is in effect exempt from the regulations. Some local authorities however have taken the stance of not permitting smoking anywhere upon the council grounds. The problem with this is that they can only enforce this stipulation in-house with their own employees through disciplinary proceedings - not as a breach of law, as a member of the public is not breaking any laws by for example smoking within their grounds. I had an issue recently where a community association tried to stipulate to attendees of a community fete held within a shcool playground that they could not smoke and that the association and attending individuals could be fined. Utter rubbish. The authority in question had made this stipulation as part of their letting procedures which is fair enough, but is completely un-enforcable for attendees of the gathering in a completely un-enclosed space - only the association members. Off track i know, but it raised some debate.
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#3 Posted : 05 July 2006 13:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By jackdaw I thought to be substantially enclosed it had to have a ceiling or roof. The 50% is to do with the walls - therefore you could have a smoking shelter with a roof so long as the opening is more than 50% of the overall perimeter - so if you had a solid box, cut away more than 50% of the walls, that would not be classed as substantially enclosed. The regs are http://www.opsi.gov.uk/l...and/ssi2006/20060090.htm
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#4 Posted : 05 July 2006 13:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By jackdaw What I meant to add was - if I'm correct in my view of needing a ceiling or roof - if the backyard does not have a ceiling or roof then it cannot be classed as enclosed
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#5 Posted : 05 July 2006 14:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By J Knight Thanks Jackdaw, if having a roof's an important criterion I'll stop worrying, John
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#6 Posted : 05 July 2006 15:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Webster Quite right, Jackdaw. An enclosed area under the regs first needs a roof.
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