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Posted By johnwaterson2773
Hi All,
Had a question posed to me by my daughter and I couldn't for the life of me answer it. She wants to know if there is a limit on the temperture before work can be stopped. She works in a bar/resturant which has provided no induction training and when I mentioned that she should have some form of training then she asked this, as the management have refused to supply any air condition units, mobile or fitted. I know 16c is a reasonable temperature, but was just enquiring if anyone had any info on working in a bar environment. Regards John
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Posted By Charlie Gunter
John,
The relevant legislation is the Workplace (Health, Safety and Welfare) Regulations 1992. There is no legal maximum or minimum temperature specified in the Regs.They merely state that the temperature in all workplaces inside buldings shall be reasonable. 'Reasonable' will depend on the circumstances.
High temperatures in a bars/restaurants during hot weather may be reasonable. The employer should consider insulating hot pipes, shading windows, using fans or other cooling devices, ensuring that cold water is available and allowing breaks away from the heat. The HSE has a dedicated site for thermal comfort at www.hse.gov.uk/temperature/thermal/index.htm
Regards
Charlie
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Posted By RA
John,
I can appreciate your daughters predicament- is there others that work in the bar- if so, she ask if they are feeling the heat uncomfortable, if they are feeling the same as your daughter, perhaps they could approach the owner with their concerns.
Or she could approach the LA and explain the situation, and if she wanted to remain anon for her job security I am sure they will agree.
RA
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Posted By Charley Farley-Trelawney
Can they get Portable air con units in? these are not bad at all, problem comes when trying to find a suiatble means of exhausting out the hot air that they remove; I have just purchased 6 units and pulled down the heat by 6 degrees in the 6 areas that were 30+c, it is worth thinking about.
CFT
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Posted By Bob Youel
Recently there was a maximum high temp figure quoted for an average work environment by an EHO in a court case - Mid 20'C I believe - check your local EHO
There is plenty of research out there re 'core' body temp rise & the environments that can cause that rise - check some out
In my personal experience most bars & similar are in the dark ages re conditions for staff & in the 22nd century re making profit
If she pushed it she would probably win. However she may be on her own!
you have a word with her employer & start to make records
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Posted By Glyn Atkinson
We don't seem to want to face this heat problem over here as we're not used to having hot spells.
Where I holiday in Turkey, all of the interior bars have a couple of industrial air con units installed to let the punters enjoy their wares in a comfotable temperature - very good for those who may not be used to 25 degrees + at midnight !
They actually draw in more trade from families with children affected by heat or the more elderly members of a family group who may be struggling.
There's a couple of local bars near to my son in Leeds that have also installed just one room with a large air con unit on a trial basis, and you can compare the fullness of that room to others that still need the equipment on hot summery evenings.
If the old global warming continues, that'll be the new salespersons' paradise - forget double glazing and uPVC soffits, it'll be " No air con, sir or madam?"
Another way of oneupmanship over the neighbours, eh??
(Written from an air-con fitted office - mmmmm , lovely !!?
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Posted By CRT
A word of warning, i`m sure that in the case Bob was referring to, the LA probably took the prosecution because the employer failed to take reasonable measures to minimise the effects of thermal discomfort (ie) portable units, insulating pipes, effective extraction, regular breaks etc etc. As the previous replies stated the ACOP provides guidance, it is not prescriptive with max/min temps
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