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#1 Posted : 14 July 2006 09:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By Anthony Wray altough im not sure this would be the right place to ask but i was wondering if anyone else had heard of ergoclick, for months through heavily using my mouse I had started getting pains in my wrist and my forearms. When spending a sad friday night browsing the WWW for some help I came across a product called ergoclick which is designed to help prevent Carpal Tunnel Syndrome. Through a little bit of investigation i found a site, funnily enough, www.ergoclick.co.uk, i now have one of these and it has been great. i was wondering if anyone else had heard of this? or indeed used one and had a positive outcome? Anthony
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#2 Posted : 14 July 2006 10:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By MeiP I might be terribly cynical, but this seems an awful lot like an ad to me. Mods?
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#3 Posted : 14 July 2006 10:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Young I've just been on the website and totally agree with the previous post. It's a terrible site and there is very limited information about this product and I can't see anyone buying it without more detail, therefore a free plug here sounds reasonable.
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#4 Posted : 14 July 2006 10:28:00(UTC)
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Posted By Anthony Wray i never sid the website was any good! just wanted to see if anyone else has heard of it! sorry if it sounded like an ad ant
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#5 Posted : 14 July 2006 10:31:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert Weiland "When spending a sad friday night browsing the WWW for some help I came across a product called ergoclick" Friday night on the net looking at Health and Safety stuff..... come on now let's be honest.
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#6 Posted : 14 July 2006 10:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By The toecap The best thing for mouse problems is cheese and a trap.....
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#7 Posted : 14 July 2006 10:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By Steve B Like anything, it will only be as good as the user. Lets get back to basics buddy. DSE assessments, plenty of breaks, change position etc etc etc.............. Steve
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#8 Posted : 14 July 2006 10:42:00(UTC)
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Posted By Descarte I have investigated, and unless there is an ergo click office in manchester this is not an add. DNS lookup, tracert and whois says its not an add (or atleast that he is not at work today and not based in the same area as ergo click main office). Unless he is on his day off today :-D Yeh I thought this was an add too, so I looked in to it. Seems genuine. Do not underestimate the power of the internet! :-)
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#9 Posted : 14 July 2006 10:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By holmes1979 Track balls are the way ahead in my opinion. They can take a little bit of getting used to be they completly minimise the amount of wrist movement.
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#10 Posted : 14 July 2006 10:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By MeiP Ok, I AM very cynical, sorry Ant. It's Friday, I get jaded by the end of the week. I've not used or seen the product in action, nor am i an ergonmist, but I'd guess that it's just moving the issue to a neighbouring set of muscles / nerves so would be only of short term use. I'd agree with previous posters on looking at the whole workstation & work processes / software first. Other options can be trackballs, vertical mice, or pen / tablet options Oh and go see your GP Apologies again for being snappy Mei
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#11 Posted : 14 July 2006 11:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By Descarte there is also the issue that 99% of things done on a computer which you use a mouse for can be done without using the mouse. 50% of these things are actually quicker too. eg. print your document keyboard - ctrl +p, enter = done mouse - move mouse to file, click move mouse to print click, move mouse to ok click eg. making the txt line you just wrote bold, italic and underlined cut is and move it 3 lines down Keyboard - shift+home, ctrl+u+i+b, ctrl x, enter x3 ctrl v= done mouse - click drag to select txt, move mouse to press bold, then italic then underlined (if click buttons are available, else click format and font etc..) click cut, (or edit then cut) press enter x3 click paste This second example highlights the amount of movements to and from the keyboard to the mouse and back and forth and back all of which can lead to RSI in other muscles and the shoulders/neck, which is not required if more information is provided to the use about the benifits and ease of using short cut keys - presses tab key 3 times and then enter to post my reply
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#12 Posted : 14 July 2006 11:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By Anthony Wray i have tried regular breaks etc and although my wrist stops aching, as soon as im back on it again i can feel it twinge! maybe its a phsycological thing that but still! ant
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#13 Posted : 14 July 2006 11:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By Adam Hammerton Don't know about the product but I think the HSE might not be too pleased with the use of their copyrighted logo, especially when you click on the "partners" link. To the casual observer it could look like there is an official link up with HSE.
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#14 Posted : 14 July 2006 12:28:00(UTC)
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Posted By Arran Linton - Smith I am also a fan of the control and alt keys rather than using a mouse.
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#15 Posted : 14 July 2006 13:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By MICK MEAD, CMIOSH Isn't part of the training given to users the need to report symptoms such as this? Recurring discomfort suggests to me that a medical opinion is advisable. In my experience of hundreds of DSE assessments, it is often the case that people soldier on ignoring pain - which then becomes a real issue with time. Just a thought! Mick
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#16 Posted : 14 July 2006 14:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By Arran Linton - Smith I notice that the ergo mouse mentioned does not have a right-handed button or a wheel which I need. I also suspect that it is not suitable for Linux use.
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#17 Posted : 14 July 2006 20:38:00(UTC)
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Posted By Saracen11 Hi Anthony, when considering breaks and rest periods, don't forget it's your health therefore you must discipline yourself to this... What time do you spend outside work on the PC? This is more time exposing yourself to risks associated with RSI - is it necessary? I remember spending months trying to assist a person to find the magic cure for her bad back; workstation set-up, new chair, flat screen, etc, etc, etc... she then tells me she rides a horse 4 nights a week and every weekend... although her Physio has told her she should stop as it's bad for her already bad back!?!?!? Regards
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#18 Posted : 15 July 2006 22:34:00(UTC)
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Posted By srd I've never used that product, so I can't offer any advice on it. What I can say though is that in a previous job I was tapping away with a mouse for long periods every working day, and experienced problems. I tried trackerballs, but as the particular job involved intensive clicking, this wasn't much help. What I did find helpful however was when I switched to using the mouse supplied with the G4 Macintosh. With this the whole of the mouse is hinged towards the centre, so instead of just clicking away with my index finger only, I was moving the whole of my hand at the knuckle joint. My problems went away since using this. Just a suggestion. Stephen.
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#19 Posted : 18 July 2006 13:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By jackw. Hi, I had a poster that gave you the keys to use as alternative to using a mouse.. lost it in an office move..anyone have anything similar i can have or does anyone know a website I can get this kinda thing on.. i found it ueful personally and greatly reduced my use of the mouse. Cheers.
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#20 Posted : 18 July 2006 14:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By Descarte http://www.computerhope.com/shortcut.htm#2 All the shortcuts you could probably need. Failing that you can see all short cut keys in the actually menu's to the right of the command, also key letters are underlined in all windows applications. I used to give a list of common shortcut keys to all users when I did DSE assessments, most of the time they were amazed at the ease and time saved. Best let then stick a post-it note on the side of their monitor for the common ones till they can remember them
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