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Posted By LTN
Our work chairs meet minimum requirements and yet I have people saying that they feel twinges here and there and want a better chair. This is before an assessment has even taken place!
Our policy is that specialised chairs are only purchased where there is a recognised medical condition or note involved in which case I would prefer to have the additional advice of OH. The only other exception I can think of is for pregnant workers but once they give birth I suppose the need for a special chair would dimminish and we could take it back if needed for someone else.
It sometimes makes me wonder when I receive requests like this asking for things just because it might be available through H&S rather than because they might actually need it.
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Posted By Allan Kerrigan
Minimum requirements...that is a sign of maybe why you have requests for upgraded chairs.
Do your chairs adjust on 2 planes or 3 ??
Sometimes you cannot win, but in my own experiance a good quaility chair is worth more that just the cost, it proves the old rule of H&S, investment can and does pay off.
The MOD last year spent £1000 for each chair, for all thier staff, to try to eliminate back pain and WULD's. this is more like what a chair should be like. in an ideal world.
I would like to see if the MOD has reduced back pain etc since using these chairs.
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Posted By Jez Corfield
Dont confuse a lack of comfort with the need for costly new chairs, at best your chairs will only be comfortable for 95% of users. Chairs need to be adjusted, our chairs (£600) have 11 adjustments and its a real task to get it right. Some people are very tall or very heavy, and the chair might just not fit them.
Look at the breaks they take, and are they using their workstations correctly? The twinges might not even be chair related....
Sometimes (and this goes against our desire for order) some people just need a different office chair - we sometimes get people a cheap (£100) chair locally and they are often happy...
Jez
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Posted By Jim Walker
So pleased to see the MOD have their priorities right.
Thousand quid per chair - wonder how many poorly armoured landrovers that eqates to.
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Posted By Michael Hosking
This is a close one to my heart and I always try to balance comfort/costs and needs,though some management only look at the cost!!
Have been involved in the "in-house Occ Health side of things for many years and implemented various procedures to eliminate the "wants" form those with genuine need. I have found that if a person is prepared to complete the assorted forms,they are usually a genuine case; and these are the ones that need our/my help.
We have identified three types that so far have met the needs of all but the most serious conditions that we pass to our external Occ health service.The most expensive is approx £500.
£1,000 a chair amazes me though being ex-army will not even go theremoney was often spent in the wrong areas. Also agree that the more gadgets/adjustments the more people are unlikely to use them all
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Posted By Bunny
If you only provide other types of chairs for those with medical conditons then I would suggest that you are not complying with the law.
I am tall and long legged and require seats that can adapt to that. It's not a medical requirement it's just the way I am built. I don't ask just to get a better chair, I ask for an appropriate chair for my build.
Just because you find your chair comfortable don't assume everyone does and since when do people require a DSE assessedment to be able to state that their chair gives then aches and pains?
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Posted By Les Fullwood
Mike,
Do you have any details of the external occ health company that you use please, we are looking to switch.
Many Thanks
Les
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Posted By LTN
I didn’t expect this to get heated.
When I say minimum requirements, I’m talking about our standard office chairs, adjustable in height and tilt 3 ways as described in VDU reg guidance (so something that is adjustable in 11 different ways would be above minimum but doesn’t necessarily make it better for an individual). But we do have other chairs which meet the specific needs of the individuals. In the past these were mostly raised due primarily to medical conditions or concerns, but build is also taken into consideration, I just forgot to mention it – weight more than height has been raised though.
Am I alone in thinking that an assessment is necessary if someone mentions that they want a better chair? Because as someone else said there are other issues to be covered in a work station assessment besides the chair. The very best chair will be of very limited use if the individual doesn’t take any breaks or it's the desk that needs to be adjustable. My small rant is just the issue of want rather than need - where people say they ‘want’ a new chair (like they want a wrist rest and screen reflector though there is no need), rather than saying that their current chair doesn’t meet their needs or comfort or that they’d like an assessment.
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Posted By Hilary Charlton
Why not get your employees to do their own workstation assessments - then they can explain exactly in which ways they feel the chair is deficient and which part of their anatomy hurts! Make this a pre-requisite of having a new chair and then there are back cushions available and different ways of sitting that you can explore before even going down the route of a new chair.
Good luck... and I wouldn't dream of spending £1000 per chair - money to burn or what?!?
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Posted By Eric Taylor
I work for the MoD, and can quite categorically state that out of nearly 400 employees in the establishment, not one has has £1000 spent on a chair for DSE use or otherwise. Looking at the catalogue they come from £150 would seem to be about the most expensive.
Perhaps the postee should spend less time on the website for the "Ministry of Spurious Statistics" (and attention grabbing quotes?)
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Posted By JEFFREY SMITH
I too work for the MOD and have seen no evidence of £1000 chair in my area!
Person who works with me is going to get a special chair at cost of about £1000, but he is the exception!
£1000 - I'll have mine in red leather please...
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Posted By Steve Lawrie
Well I work in an open plan office - while we have 'standard' chairs they only fit standard people. One of the guys is 6'7' tall with a large frame - the girl next to him is 4'7' tall and probably 6 stone wet!
We look at the needs of individuals and have a wide variety of chairs that range from £300 to £600. Having spent 20 years with the MOD in the past I would say that the procurement department needs to look at their suppliers
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