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Posted By oneill
Hi
A few of the machines in our company are American and were bought some years ago and therefore do not have CE marking. We are currently in the processing of trying to rectify this. Can anyone give me information on the Essential Health and Safety Assessment which comes in under the Machinery Regulations? Also we want to make rack protectors for racking we have here to prevent forklifts driving into it (unfortunately its a regular occurence!). Is their regulations for the manufacturing of guards, as we might make them ourselves in house?
Thanks
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Posted By TBC
Don't believe that there is a spec for rack end guards. Look at the websites lots of choice so you could make your own. I suppose it will be one of those things based on your assessment of the problem.
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Posted By Glyn Atkinson
Rack guards - ground level.
We find that a solid RSJ girder cut to the length of the first level and floormounted on a welded pad around the racking upright usually halts most idiots in a hurry on forklift trucks - we allow enough distance for any impact to be taken by the RSJ, not the upright.
It does make lower floor level stacking less roomy, but we usually put in goods that are split down from large delivery cartons on pallets that are unpacked and removed when needed.
One application is to store bedsprings sets on the bottom layer - heavy in bulk, required in diferrent batch numbers - easy to remove at ground level without spillage.
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Posted By Glyn Atkinson
I MUST learn to preview messages for spelling before hitting the send button - different - I know that !!
My left hand is trying to type faster than my right hand - must be a Friday thing ??
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Posted By Stuart Scott
Hi O’Neil
I recently finished a paper on CE marking for my Msc.
Can I ask why are you trying to get machines CE marked? Are you selling them on???
CE marking for all intents and purposes is nothing more than a self declaration by the manufacturer of the machine implying that they have fulfilled all the safety requirements of the relevant European Directives. I'm not so sure that retrospective placement of CE marking on old American equipment is something that you can do.
You may be better of seeking advice from the British Standards Institute (BSI) which is an independent safety certifier.
I’m pretty sure that as an employer fulfilling the requirements of PUWER would serfice in ensuring compliance in the UK.
I may be wrong and I only pose this as food for thought. I am relatively new to H&S so fully expect to be corrected if I am wrong.
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Posted By TBC
Stuart
As far as I'm concerned your spot on, I only suggest doing the CE as an add-on really. As you know it does go that little bit further than PUWER etc and adds that bit of extra thought and completeness into the process.
Regards
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Posted By terryt
I agree with Stuart, why CE mark them if they're staying within the company.
CE marking is for the manufacturer to do, and because they didn't do it I can't see the point in getting it done now.
A thorough PUWER assessment will show whether the machines are safe.
I used to work for an American owned company and they were 'unaware' that equipment imported into the EU had to be CE marked. Any unwanted equipment from America was routinely shipped into the UK. If they don't know this isn't allowed I think they should be informed.
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Posted By TBC
The letters "CE" are the abbreviation of French phrase "Conformité Européene" which literally means "European Conformity". Which means we Europeans keep to our specs and that's why the yanks don't bother.
From my experience their specs, especially around guarding on machines doesn't seem that great anyway - so they would have to make 'extra' efforts to conform - which they don't like to do.
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Posted By Jason911
Thats all great but what if an employee gets a shock from a piece of equipment used in a workplace that was shipped in from the U.S and has no C.E mark? Would the employer be in trouble, or is this yet another H&S grey area?
Jay
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Posted By Jeffrey Watt
I thought CE stood for "Check Everything" (that quote was ripped off from another forum poster, don't remember who, 2006).
Consider that Heckler und Koch's Machine Pistole 5 is also CE marked and it was made with the express function of killing people in a fast and efficient manner albeit not the operator.
Rant over, loads of specialist companies CE mark equipment with the explicit concern of protecting people,with reference to the appropriate BSENs to do with machinery safety.
What you might find Oneill is that those companies that CE mark equipment for resale are also the most experienced re making the machinery safe to a European/UK standard.
I can recommend the company we used in a previous life if you want to contact me .
Kind regards
Jeff
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