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#1 Posted : 01 August 2006 13:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By al fitz Are Chef's 'Whites' classed as PPE? I have looked through the PPE Regulations but I am none the wiser. Secondly if they are classed as PPE what arrangements do companies have in place for their cleaning? Any guidance much appreciated thanks
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#2 Posted : 01 August 2006 13:33:00(UTC)
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Posted By Colin J They do not protect the wearer from harm therefore, I believe,that they are not PPE. Colin
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#3 Posted : 01 August 2006 13:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By Gilly Margrave My aprtner who trained as a chef (good job seeing as I am a lousy cook) tells me that the long starched white apron prevents hot fat from coming into contact with the legs if there is a spillage. Also clogs are worn so that feet can be easily released in the event of scalds. The traditional toque has a hollow top to prevent the head getting too hot. Obviously if none of the above are considered a risk then it would not be PPE - that of course depends on the nature of the cheffing involved. Gilly
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#4 Posted : 01 August 2006 13:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By Gilly Margrave Sorry that should have said "partner" G
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#5 Posted : 01 August 2006 20:43:00(UTC)
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Posted By Colin J Sorry I should have said that they are not primarily designed to protect the wearer from harm. All clothing protects the wearer in one way or the other but that does not make it PPE in accordance with the regulations. If the Whites (not clogs) are PPE then they should be CE marked. Colin
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#6 Posted : 01 August 2006 22:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By B Smart Sorry, but I have to disagree with some of the opinions here. Chefs whites are PPE. The Jacket is at any rate,as are the steel toecaps which should be worn. The jacket not only protects the chef, it also protects the food from skin contamination. The jacket is made of a material, which is not too comfortable in a hot kitchen, but gives the chef protection against being burned when opening the oven, frying eggs or what ever and carrying hot trays etc... As for cleaning the whites it is the responsibility of the chef, however I remember as a chef I used to get some tax back after asking for it. Contact the Tax Man and see if the rules still apply.
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#7 Posted : 02 August 2006 10:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By joanne doherty I AGREE WITH B SMART, CHEF'S JACKETS ARE PPE, AS FOR FOOTWEAR, CLOGS SHOULD BE PROVIDED HOWEVER IN MY EXPERIENCE TRAINERS HAVE BEEN THE DESIRED FOOTWEAR FOR CHEFS, ON THEIR HEAD BE IT!! YOU CAN PROVIDE IT, BUT THEY WON'T NECESSARILY WEAR IT.
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#8 Posted : 02 August 2006 10:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mark Bywater I'm not about to agree or disagree with any of my colleagues here but simply put forward a point of view from my own company. We manufacture sugar confectionery and the whites are classed as "hygiene clothing" not PPE. If any employee needs PPE for hot work, chemical agents etc then that is provided on top of the whites. The whites are seen as a method of protecting the product from contamination by humans, and a very large retail customer of ours with excessively high food hygiene standards agrees that point also. Safety shoes are mandatory in our factories anyway. Regards, Mark
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#9 Posted : 02 August 2006 13:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By Colin J Paragraph 9 of the Guidance to Reg 3 of the PPE Regs states "..the Regulations do not apply to protective clothing provided in the food industry primarily for food hygiene purposes."
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#10 Posted : 02 August 2006 14:10:00(UTC)
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Posted By al fitz Colin, conversely the following is taken from HSE information sheets. Catering Sheets; CAIS 9 : "Planning for health and safety when selecting and using catering equipment and workplaces". "Personal protective equipment (PPE) Even if other safeguards are already in place, staff may still need to wear PPE. You must identify these particular situations. Remember, PPE is the last resort, although sometimes PPE may be required as an interim measure, while other safeguards are being set up. You need to make sure that the type of PPE you select is correct for the type of risk, the member of staff involved and your particular work environment and that it is easy to clean and keep hygienic. You should make sure that PPE is stored properly and that it is maintained in good condition. Your PPE requirements are likely to include: • non-slip shoes where there is a slipping risk; • 100% cotton garments (for example, chef's whites) where there is a risk that the material garments are made of will aggravate burns in the event of a fire; • long sleeve vinyl gloves, goggles or visor, and protective respiratory equipment for staff who handle caustic cleaning substances; • there will also be other clothing which may be required for food hygiene reasons". Which as far as I can see contradicts Regulation 3 as it specifically identifies Chef's Whites as PPE.
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