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#1 Posted : 04 August 2006 13:49:00(UTC)
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Posted By Faye Can anyone help me please? Your advice is much needed. I have been asked to find out what Fire systems will need to remain should we empty any of our blocks of 11 flats/maisonettes ready for demolition. I cannot seem to find any information that is appropriate. All the new regs talk about is 'occupied' buildings. I am inclined to leave it in, in the event of arson/vandalism but all utilities will be disconnected and all flats completely emptied and sealed. Obviously leaving it in incurrs ongoing maintenance costs. Can anyone point me in the right direction for legislation or advice? Many thanks.
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#2 Posted : 04 August 2006 13:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave Wilson Your demo company should provide this as part of the pre tender H&S Plan.
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#3 Posted : 04 August 2006 14:01:00(UTC)
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Posted By Faye we have not even started the pre-tender process yet, and it could be some time off. One block is almost empty. Where do i look for guidance on what to do in the meantime?
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#4 Posted : 04 August 2006 14:10:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave Wilson I would suggest you remove unless you can guarantee that no one will enter, as if its left in it would be an attractive item for robbin! In essence if it is destoyed by vandals it would not be much of a problem (he says) as it is going to be demolished anyway! Remember occupiers liability and your 'reasonableness' not to do anything which could affect people who you may reasonably expect to enter your premises including tresspassers, this does not include a means of fighting a fire I would suggest. So remove all combustable materials as best possible and brick / board up.
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#5 Posted : 04 August 2006 14:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By tommy_t We had a similar situation (but on a larger scale) when we closed down a factory. If the buildings are to remain insured I would suggest you speak to the insurers to understand their requirements. We decided to turn off all fire systems - alarms, sprinklers, emergency lighting, etc. As you say the building is empty so their is no risk to occupants. The main risk is from arson - we ensured that buildings were very secure and ensured that we had good security measures, regular patrols, etc. Any damage to buildings where, for example, someone tried to break-in was repaired immediately.
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#6 Posted : 07 August 2006 11:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ashley Wood This is a tricky one! There are absolutely dozens of reported cases of arson on derelict or empty buildings. Your problem would be if squatters gained entry and some fool set fire to the building and someone died! The cost to remove the system would out way its value on the market. Yes, the copper (assuming it is MICC) cable has some value, the detectors have zero value, the panel has zero value, sounders and call points zero value. You may be able to use them (assuming they are not too old and are servicable) someware else, but its not worth it. I would say leave them in. Your problem will be leaving power on in the building to run the system! Look at cutting off all non essential supplies.
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#7 Posted : 08 August 2006 09:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By Faye Thank you very much for all your responses and taking the time to help. Kind Regards Faye
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