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#1 Posted : 09 August 2006 05:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By Sam Roberts TO ALL THE KIDS WHO SURVIVED the 1930's 40's, 50's, 60's & 70's !! First, we survived being born to mothers who smoked and/or drank while they carried us. They took aspirin, ate blue cheese dressing, tuna from a can, and didn't get tested for diabetes. Then after that trauma, our cots were covered with bright coloured lead-based paints. We had no childproof lids on medicine bottles, doors or cabinets and when we rode our pushbikes, we had no helmets, not to mention, the risks we took hitchhiking. As children, we would ride in cars with no seat belts or air bags. Riding in the back of a pick-up on a warm day was always a special treat. We drank water from the garden hose and NOT from a bottle! We shared one soft drink with four friends, from one bottle and NO ONE actually died from this. We ate cupcakes, white bread and real butter and drank soft drink with sugar in it, but we weren't overweight because WE WERE ALWAYS OUTSIDE PLAYING! We would leave home in the morning and play all day, as long as we were back when the streetlights came on.. No one was able to reach us all day. And we were O.K. We would spend hours building our go-carts out of scraps and then ride down the hill, only to find out we forgot the brakes. After running into the bushes a few times, we learned to solve the problem. We did not have Playstations, Nintendo's, X-boxes, no video games at all, no 99 channels on cable, no video tape movies, no surround sound, no cell phones, no personal computers, no Internet or Internet chat rooms.......WE HAD FRIENDS and we went outside and found them! We fell out of trees, got cut, broke bones and teeth and there were no lawsuits from these accidents. We ate worms and mud pies made from dirt, and the worms did not live in us forever. We were given catapults for our 10th birthdays, made up games with sticks and tennis balls and although we were told it would happen, we did not put out very many eyes. We rode bikes or walked to a friend's house and knocked on the door or rang the bell, or just walked in and talked to them! Under 12 footy had tryouts and not everyone made the team. Those who didn't had to learn to deal with disappointment. Imagine that!! The idea of a parent bailing us out if we broke the law was unheard of. They actually sided with the law! This generation has produced some of the best risk-takers, problem solvers and inventors ever! The past 50 years have been an explosion of innovation and new ideas. We had freedom, failure, success and responsibility, and we learned HOW TO DEAL WITH IT ALL! And YOU are one of them! CONGRATULATIONS! You might want to share this with others who have had the luck to grow up as kids, before the lawyers and the government regulated our lives for our own good. and while you are at it, forward it to your kids so they will know how brave their parents were. Kind of makes you want to run through the house with scissors, doesn't it ? PS For your convenience this email has been prepared using large print!
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#2 Posted : 09 August 2006 06:36:00(UTC)
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Posted By David S Burt Sam, All of this also took place when a tradesman had to do 5 years training and not the new improved 2 year course. It must be that people are a lot more intelligent these days, it’s just a shame that with this new intelligence common sense and the ability to learn from mistakes has been lost. This new intelligence also probably accounts for the number of postings where people are saying rather than re-inventing the wheel etc. I must put on my bubble wrap coat and shoes now and venture out into the very wild and risky world of work. I should be alright though after all I have got my paper based unrealistic risk assessment with me.
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#3 Posted : 09 August 2006 09:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By garyOrange Wow how on earth did I manage to survive over the age of 12 as: I Played with toys that had small parts that could be eaten. I swam in dark coulored lakes, pools and canals. I made my best mate our blood brother. I survived my flagrant misuse of playground swings, roundabouts and slides. Not only did the local copper hit me round my ear, my mum did too. Gaz
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#4 Posted : 09 August 2006 10:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By Sally To some extent I agree with the sentiments in this in that Children today don't learn how to deal with risk because they are being protected from it all the time. However the line that says 'and we survived' may be true for us but isn't for the many children who did die or suffer from all these things like lead poisoning, drowining, playground accidents etc before we knew better. The best example of this is to look at how much the number of child pedestrians being killed has reduced over the past 40 years. So no, we haven't been brainwashed by H&S - we've saved lives. Perhaps what we need to do now is take a step back and acknowledge that a life without risk isn't possible and isn't fun.
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#5 Posted : 09 August 2006 10:10:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alan Haynes "The best example of this is to look at how much the number of child pedestrians being killed has reduced over the past 40 years." I thought that was because they don't walk anywhere these days! {They're all in Chelsea tractors doing the 200 yard drive to school}
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#6 Posted : 09 August 2006 10:46:00(UTC)
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Posted By Zaphod I can't remember who said this but it goes like this: 'The golden age was never the present age' There have been a number of threads like this before. Oozing with nostalgia. I walked across tube lines with my friends when I was a teenager. The fact that I am alive today is because of luck - it does not make high voltage tracks safe and of trivial risk.
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#7 Posted : 09 August 2006 11:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By James K Sam, Many thanks for the memories. I was flicking through the threads when I cam across this one and found myself suddenly back as a teenager. Oh the memories. Like many that were already printed above I also . Got pulled up the snow filled street by a car and a rope. . Climbedhigh apples trees searching for lunch as we were too lazy to go home. . Climbed high stone walls to get a look a the neighbours daughters sunbathing. (I was only 11 or 12) . Walked for miles to the nearest town and hitched lifts from strangers. How times have changed. Having a son of early teens, if he did half the things I did I would be fearful.
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#8 Posted : 09 August 2006 11:34:00(UTC)
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Posted By Zaphod James How aware were your parents/gardians of the risks you took as a teenager? Assuming the answer to this might be 'not very' The next question might be: how aware are you of the risks your son is taking!?
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#9 Posted : 09 August 2006 11:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By Andrew Cartridge Ah...........nostalgia, it isn't what it used to be ;-) Andy
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#10 Posted : 09 August 2006 12:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jeffrey Watt Andy I believe you've had longer than most to test the effects of nostalgia!!! Let's just say you've been younger longer. Kind regards Jeff
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#11 Posted : 09 August 2006 12:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By 9-Ship This is getting very boring - this must be about the 34th time this posting or very similar has been posted on this forum. I believe the original came from a stand up sketch by Richard Digence about 5yrs ago. Please not again or I'll scream
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#12 Posted : 09 August 2006 13:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By Gilles27 Its a shame that a lot of those kids born in the 30s and 40s, and those who worked in the 50,60,70's are now dead from asbestos and other stuff they worked with...
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#13 Posted : 09 August 2006 15:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kevin Murphy 9-ship You may well find it boring and it may well have been circulated a 100 odd times but I found it interesting and amusing, as i expect many others have. Just remember, you may well be a boring old git yourself but your work colleagues and family still have to look at YOU everyday. As they say if you dont like the TV programme TURN IT OFF. Kevin
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#14 Posted : 09 August 2006 15:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By SAF Thought this was supposed to be a 'professional' forum?
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#15 Posted : 09 August 2006 15:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By Merv Newman It is interesting and amusing. I love to re-read it every time it comes up. It reminds me of swimming in the canal locks. Of trying to swim across the Rickmansworth aquadrome and having to be rescued from drowning. Of falling from a tree in the town park and only breaking a collar bone. Of being bitten by a dog. Of trying to start a parked Tiger Moth at Denham air field. Of cycling along the Uxbridge road from Ricky to Croxley. Of the scars I still have but can't remember where or when I got them. Of ... Of the man in our street who was ostracised. Of the child in our street who drank furniture polish. Of my friend who died in a car accident. Of the girl next door who was always bruised. Oh yeah. Nostalgia. Merv
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#16 Posted : 09 August 2006 15:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By Sam Roberts Thank you and well said Kevin. In response to 9-ship, I cant really beleive you found it boring!!!!! Your actually keeping count of the times you read it. 'NOW THAT IS SAD AND BORING' Sam
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#17 Posted : 09 August 2006 15:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jeffrey Watt I agree about the forum being professional. I wish this forum was more like the professionals. Car chases in Ford Capris, perms, grumpy Scottish boss. At the minute it is a pale 2006 equivalent, Ultimate Farce. Kind regards Jeff
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#18 Posted : 09 August 2006 16:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By Andrew Cartridge Jeff The veracity, which increases with old age, is not far from folly. See you there Andy
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#19 Posted : 09 August 2006 16:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jeffrey Watt Andy I hope so too. Jeff
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#20 Posted : 09 August 2006 22:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jason911 Maybe me and my fellows have been brainwashed, but if we ask any member of one of the 4000 families or 1 young person killed each and every month in the workplace would they agree with you? Our job is a thankless one and most people only acknowledge our existance when something has gone wrong. H&S is here to stay and thank god for that! We don't all agree with schoolchildren wearing goggles when playing conkers you know!!!!!
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#21 Posted : 10 August 2006 16:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jez Corfield Sam, I appreciate there is an element of humour in what you posted, but not one element of truth. Have you any idea of the numbers of people killed in road accidents in the 50's and 60's - if I remember it was in the magnitude of 10 times higher than today. Have you any idea how many people died in workplace accidents, or house fires, or from exposure to carcinogens? Again it was through the roof, workers, pedestrians, drivers and householders all had a significantly higher chance of dying. There is no such thing as the 'good old days', (except music). Jez
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#22 Posted : 10 August 2006 17:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By Zaphod I'm with Sam and Jason on this. We have to put up with enough flack from the media and dis-interest from many people in management positions who still think H&S management systems are not one of their responsibilities. The last thing we need is people within the profession pontificating about the good old days and implying that our work is largely OTT and pointless - even if this thread was posted just for a bit of a laugh. Sure, it's OK to question whether we are treading the right balance of cost verses risk and this forum is useful for that. But, lets find funny ways to help our profession rather than using humour that undermines our purpose.
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#23 Posted : 10 August 2006 17:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By Zaphod Whoops, I meant that I am with Jez and Jason - most definitely not Sam on this one!
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#24 Posted : 10 August 2006 18:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By Sam Roberts Well I think we can now bring this post to an end. Enough said and I think the point has been made, the majority of the replies were from people who are obviously brainwashed. The Posting was posted as a bit of lighthearted humour, but the brainwashed have turned it into a H & S debate to the extent of quoting statistics on the amount of accident and deaths in the last 40 years. ' We are all aware of the figures'. Just chill out guys and gals there is more to life than H & S. Like others you should have read this initial posting with a smile on your face and if your old enough, said to youself :- 'Yea I Remember it well' yours in safety Sam
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#25 Posted : 10 August 2006 20:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jason911 Sam As Zaphod said, we have enough of this attitude from people in management! I think we all appreciate this forum as a means to bounce off ideas to like minded people unlike yourself. Of course there is more than life to H&S for us, but would you still be of the same opinion if your loved one had just been seriously injured or killed at work? I doubt it! Jay
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#26 Posted : 10 August 2006 20:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Murgatroyd I'm more worried about how [other] people are being brainwashed that H&S is over-hyped. It's taken long enough to get what we have, even if most of it is of the "guidance" variety of H&S.
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#27 Posted : 10 August 2006 21:49:00(UTC)
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Posted By andy evans People want to be protected (and blame someone) when there is an accident but don't like being nannied - especially when the problem may not show up for years.
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#28 Posted : 11 August 2006 11:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By 9-Ship Sam Now I didn't re-read your post, I read the first half sentence and realised where it was heading/what the post was. So I'm not sad and boring and indeed do have a life outside of my job. It could be argued you have a sad life posting such material - which is very very funny the first time it is read - but not after the 34th time it has been posted on this forum. Please keep up to speed with the forum.
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#29 Posted : 11 August 2006 12:36:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jason911 Dear All We have established on another thread that these are being posted by a 20yr old cutting and pasting from the web. Please treat it with the contempt that it deserves and ignore it and any others of a similar nature. Thank You.
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#30 Posted : 11 August 2006 12:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By Anne Smart Dear all, This discussion seems to have run its course. This thread has now been locked. Anne Smart On behalf of the Moderating team
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