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Posted By RA
Hi,
Can anyone provide/direct me to where is the recent legislation that governs the use of cages with fork lift trucks?
Is it the PM28?
I need this info asap- therefore all help will GREATLY appreciated.
Cheers,
RA
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Posted By RA
This document states that non-integrated working platforms e.g. cages can be used for occasional use, but follows this by stating that the cage must not be CE mark- eh?
If there is no CE mark- can a thorough inspection be carried out?
RA
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Posted By Ken Dickson
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Yes statutory inspections should be completed for these devices, and they should be marked with a safe working load in kgs and/or number of persons. In addition, consider the inspection requirements in Reg 13 of the Work at Height Regs.
Ken
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Posted By RA
Cheers Ken & Keith,
I was informed that if it does not have a CE mark it cannot be tested?
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Posted By Martin Monaghan
Working platforms for use with a fork lift truck are not CE marked because some EU States do not permit their use. This does not prevent them from being inspected.
Martin.
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Posted By RA
Thanks Martin,
Our inspection engineer has stated that he will not inspect these non-integrated cages as part of the through inspections because it contravenes current legislative requirements- is this false?? Regarding the CE mark- this was the reason he gave as part of his report for not inspecting a block grab!!
Is this guy correct??
Cheers,
RA
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Posted By Ken Dickson
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I am convinced he is wrong. I have seen many items of one-off lifting equipment that have not been CE marked but have been included in statutory inspections. He should provide a formal written response stating his reasons for not including the equipment in the statutory inspections. Send a copy to your insurers.
Ken
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Posted By RA
Thanks Ken,
The insurers informed us that will not insure work associated with this cage as it contravenes current legislation.
I guessed I must have missed this change, but I have looked everywhere, to no avail.
Am I missing something here??
The engineer said that he would not inspect it as it should not be used in line with the recent changes- what are the changes that dictate that we cannot use a non-integrated cage??
Thanks Guys, this help is appreciated.
RA
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Posted By Martin Monaghan
If the cages were CE marked they would not comply with current statutory requirements! Unless there is some other reason for non-compliance (e.g. design feature) I would say the inspector is wrong and would refer him to PM28, paragraph 12. If he insists they should be CE marked he is effectively saying that non-integrated cages cannot be used.
We have 2 cages on site which are not CE marked and which are regularly inspected along with the other lifting gear.
Martin.
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Posted By RA
Thanks Martin,
Do you know if this is the case in N Ireland?
I have asked the HSE & HSENI for clarification, but I am still waiting on this.
Cheers,
RA
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Posted By Ken Dickson
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"The insurers informed us that will not insure work associated with this cage as it contravenes current legislation."
At the risk of dragging this thread on... have you asked them to be more precise on that? What current legislation, ACOP, or guidance does it contravene? Would it be reasonable to assume your insurers are also doing the statutory inspections?
You have my sympathy for the heartache this one is causing you.
Ken
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Posted By Martin Monaghan
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not sure about NI Regs., but HSENI website does refer to PM28. The requirement not to CE mark cages would apply throughout the EU.
Martin.
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Posted By RA
Ken,
The insurers have appointed an engineering company that carries out inspections throughout NI and GB.
Another point to note is the supplier of the FLT has come away with the same story.
Regarding heartache- I am sure all of you involved with construction managers, it can be quite a struggle to convince them to stop work on the ins co. say so. But here's hoping we can get it resolved sooner rather than later.
Thanks again Guys for the Help- it is much appreciated.
RA
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Posted By Martin Monaghan
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Just had another look at PM28. Paragraph 79 says that previous versions of the guidance note indicated that a CE mark WAS required and there are some cages in use which will have a CE mark. Could your inspector be working to the old version of PM28? The third edition was published in December 2005.
Paragraph 78 explains why non-integrated platforms must not be CE marked and indicates that they may be supplied in the UK, but only for use in exceptional circumstances.
Martin.
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Posted By nigel
we have just scrapped a FLT cage as we could not get any company ( even the one who made it ) carry out training on its safe use
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Posted By RA
Thanks Guys for all of your input, it's good to see the help is out there. I shall keep you all posted when the HSE get back to me.
Cheers,
RA
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Posted By Jeffrey Watt
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NI same as GB, god bless em.
I think I had the same problem with the same insurance company and the same engineer.
Waz'e chewin a brick while tellin ye al this bal-ix.
Email me if you like.
Bout ye
Jeff
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Posted By RA
Hi All,
Just got word back fromn HSENI- the inspections of cages- it is entirely up the company policy on inspecting such equipment. I have been told some do and some most definitely won't!!
I spoke to our ins- they got onto the engineers- they are sending an engineer out to inspect it today- now the work is down to the risk assessment.
Thanks guys, your help was much appreciated.
RA
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