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#1 Posted : 18 August 2006 14:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jim Walker I was going to hijack a similar thread but thought the better of it! Can I have some advice from knowledgeable colleagues? I want to demolish a shed in my garden, it has a corrugated Asbestos cement roof, This is about 8ft X6ft. The garden is big and the shed is well away from my neighbours. Is this stuff technically “Cement Bonded Asbestos” My plan is to pick a wet weekend preferably after a wet week and after giving the inside a good dousing with the hosepipe I will then remove the roof without breaking it so far as I am able. Bagging any smallish bits that occur. I will use some disposable Coveralls which I can “acquire” in quantity from work. Also good quality moulded dust masks & Goggles all to be dumped as I remove them. I’ll wet and try to sweep up any reside dust I create. I want to keep myself as safe as possible without going over the top, are my proposals sufficient? How do I get rid of the Sheet? Does my LA have an obligation to help me dispose of this? Until recently, I know you could take to the tip so long as you had checked with them beforehand. If I bag it, I will need to break it up and I want to avoid that if I can. I need to keep costs as low as possible (the replacement shed is going to be £1500!) but want to be safe & environmentally friendly as possible, as well as legal.
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#2 Posted : 18 August 2006 14:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave Wilson Jim, This is low risk work mate, look on your council www as they all have an asbestos page which will give you the info you need Use the task manual pages from HSG 210 and this tells you what you require and a safe method of removal
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#3 Posted : 18 August 2006 15:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jim Walker Cheers Dave, I knew cement was low risk. Council are telling me to look in yellow pages for a licenced removal co. Will check out doc you recommend What about technical name for the stuff?
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#4 Posted : 18 August 2006 15:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By Salus Jim, use a mask to protection factor 3, Daves guidance, alicensed carrier and do not forget your consignment note which gives you the paper trail for disposal.
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#5 Posted : 18 August 2006 15:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jeffrey Watt Jim If you lived in the shed then you would get a grant for disposal. Think of it as adventure scouting with a difference. Jeff
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#6 Posted : 18 August 2006 15:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave Wilson Jim, email me and we can chat off line as some of this info is way off the mark, H&S and haz waste regs DO NOT APPLY to domestic property where work or waste produced is done by the house holder not for financial gain!
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#7 Posted : 18 August 2006 16:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mat If some of this info is way off the mark as you point out, why not enlighten all of us instead of in private with the original poster. After all the sharing of information is what this forum is all about.
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#8 Posted : 18 August 2006 16:52:00(UTC)
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Posted By Salus Dave, So Jim can just smash it up and forget about protection for himself his family or neighbours,and then he can take it to a local authorised tip and dump it there for nothing can he? We know it is not work related but the advice given is certainly not "way off the mark" and as you yourself stated guidance is given by the HSE (for work situations)which you advised Jim to take. This is a domestic situation where asbestos is present and H & S procedures and guidance should be followed,are you saying they should not?, it is not difficult to wet things down / wear the suit and PPE / remove without breaking up , if possible. Nobody but you mentioned the Haz Waste regs. There was only advice that a consignment note was required from the registered waste carrier. What would happen if Jim started to smash it up, his neighbour reported him to his local authority for contaminating his property and he then took the advice of a solicitor. Jim check all these things out yourself (Env. Agency)you will soon see what is correct, by the way if the waste is above 200kgs in weight you will have to register your site
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#9 Posted : 18 August 2006 17:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By TBC £1,500 for a shed - That's a RR of a shed.
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#10 Posted : 18 August 2006 18:02:00(UTC)
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Posted By Is Kismet Wet down, try to remove without breaking, put in bags if broken but keep wet if not (transport in a trailer will do. Take to local tip where they are obliged to take it if you are domestic. End of story.
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#11 Posted : 18 August 2006 18:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By Rob Yuill Local Authorities have at least one site where domestic asbestos cement can be disposed of - check their web pages, it may involve a trip into a neighbouring authority. It's best to call in advance to confirm their arrangements, some only take asbestos waste at certian times. Your precautions sound perfectly suitable, and DO NOT forget to assess the risk of falling, so DO NOT stand or work on the roof - the stuff's fragile! Keep sheets whole if possible, removing sheets by removing bolts / fixings and don't forget to bag up any broken bits. Depending how you intend to transport the waste you may need to wrap it, asbestos debris doen't look too good in the family hatchback. And the best of luck Rob
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#12 Posted : 18 August 2006 22:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By TBC I hope the timber for that shed is from a renewable source.
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#13 Posted : 19 August 2006 13:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bruce Sutherland Chaps Domestic Asbestos Cement Waste We normally find that the last gents in the UK work on civic amenity sites. That means if a lady takes the waste AC they even help her unload it before placing it in their asbetsos skip. If you turn up in a pick up expect to be grilled thoroughly for trade waste and we would suggest that you do not scrounge any asb waste bags as that makes it even more complicated...... Bit surprised at some of tones on the thread the law is very clear on this. The only thing that perhaps has caused some confusion is that I beleive that the general duty of care uner EPA has been extended to domestic. So if the AC was fly tipped then the domestic client could be liable (if tracked down) A spell check facility would be good IOSH? Cheers Bruce
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#14 Posted : 21 August 2006 07:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jim Walker I thought the following might be of use to others. Prior to my starting this thread, I had protracted (2 weeks) e-mail correspondence with my Borough Council waste officer. The message was: I could not take asbestos cement to the local tip, council could not offer me any advice and suggested I look in the yellow pages for a licensed asbestos removal contractor. This was despite me saying it was only asbestos cement sheet and that is was not so dangerous as to need a contractor. After messages on this thread it dawned on me to try the County council (next tier up), here I received a much better response. It was true there was no facility at my Borough council tip (2 miles away) but there was a tip in another borough (5 miles in the other direction). All I need is a five quid permit and I can take it along on a day specified by the permit. I now intend to take the poor advice up with the Borough council, lucky it’s all e-mail so they can’t deny what they said. Sounds like I got that “computer says no” character off Little Britain. That’s one less objection from her indoors about the costs of my big shed project!! TBC yes expensive shed, actually woodworking workshop, complete with dust extraction system.
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#15 Posted : 21 August 2006 09:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alan Hoskins You want to get yourself a new LA Jim... Mine will collect sheets from domestic properties. Alan
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#16 Posted : 21 August 2006 09:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By TBC Sounds like you got through one of the biggest hurdles to get this shed built - her indoors. We are not worthy 'o great one':-)
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#17 Posted : 22 August 2006 12:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chrisopher Gilbert I'm not promoting a product. I've just read August SHP and page 80 Item 112 looks possibly to be aimed at your type of job. It ssems that there's a kit available from builder merchants containing gear, info and a waste collection service.
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