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Posted By Neil Koskie
Dear all,
A colleague of mine yesterday fell down a flight of steps during the working day. She was taken to hospital, checked and was discharged later the same day. She has minor injuries - bruising mainly and is off work today. At the time, she was going to the kitchen to make a cup of tea so it was not a work activity as such, although it was during work time.
Is this reportable under Riddor?
Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
Neil
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Posted By gham
no
she was not in hospital for more than 24hrs nor is she off work for more than 3 days excluding they day of the injury....... yet
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Posted By Robert.
In the meantime you can find out, possibly, how / why she fell. A simple investigation as a means to (reasonably) prevent re-occurance.
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Posted By Rob Yuill
I had a very similar situation, but the person suffered a minor fracture. There was no obvious cause and even the IP admitted to "brain fade", despite no evidence of a failure of any sort it was decreed by our local HSE Inspector, the HSE Inspector where the accident happened and the ICC to be a RIDDOR. Although they said it was a "grey" area and if we didn't report it they would not chase us!
So there you have it!
Confusion!
Rob
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Posted By CRT
Agree with previous comments - no unless over 3 days. Other issue - "arising out of, or in connection with" etc - a judgement call, read the ACOP and make your decision, if in doubt suggest you report it.
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Posted By Saracen11
Hi Neil, I sort of agree with others.
A Hospital stay over 24hours applies to members of the public not employees, so not reportable on this count.
If the days absent amount to over 3 days, then I'd say it's reportable because unless making a brew is banned, it's an acceptable practice. It's not one that a person is paid for but is still being paid whilst doing it, so the DoC owed is still in force.
Another example of this is where a person slips on a floor whilst going to the toilet - using the loo isn't a work activity but allowed in works time... so again if over 3 days is lost, it's reportable for this reason, rather than any 'failings.
Regards
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Posted By Chris Packham
One point perhaps to remember is that when it comes to ill health it does not necessarily require a 3-day absence to be reportable. For example, if a registered medical practitioner diagnoses an occupational contact dermatitis, then this is reportable under RIDDOR, even if there has been no lost time.
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Posted By Farmer
Have a look at HSE Doc 31- free on HSE web site -- gives all the gen on RIDDOR -- this injury at present is not reportable -- -- if an employee is admitted to hospital for 24 hours it is Reportable -- with reference to the public -- if a member of public is taken to hospital as result of injury arising from activities of the company then it is reportable--
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Posted By Ross Hunter
Re Robs unfortunate colleague who sustained a 'minor fracture'. Reportable major injuries include fractures (minor or otherwise) other than to fingers, thumbs or toes. I would sugest unless it is the later then there shouldn't really have been any confusion.
Ross
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Posted By gham
Saracen
Do disrespect intended but I would have refresh of the guidance
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Posted By Alan Hoskins
Sar11
Unless there was some defect in the stairway or similar reason for the fall, it would not be work related, so the 3 day rule would not apply. Slipping on a wet floor would be, because an unsafe condition is present.
Alan
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Posted By Paul Devlin
If a person is "at work" then all activities are seen as work related inclusive of walking up/down stairs, making tea/coffee, using the toilet etc etc?
In this particular case the IP was indeed "at work" and no Alan there doesn't need to be an unsafe condition to make it then reportable.
If they had been off for more than 3 days, in hospital for more than 24 hours or a fracture of say the leg or arm had occurred then it is reportable end of.
You can almost tell who are the employee representatives and who the managers are by the tone and direction of the replies. We are after all reading the same documents and legislation so there shouldn't be any ambiguity on their interpretation.
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Posted By Alan Hoskins
Yes Paul - as soon as I had posted I realised that what I said related only to non-employees.
Alan
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