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Posted By Matt Wright
I'm looking for some advice on the requirements, e.g. certification, that the driver of a Hiab lorry must hold. We currently employ a company to do deliveries around our sites, they are using 7.5t and 32t vehicles.
One of the drivers has showed me a CSCS card which shows him as a lorry loader and slinger/signaller but says the firm are using other drivers without proper certification.
Just looking for a bit of clarification on what the drivers should/must possess.
Also how do people stand on lifting plans? Spoken to the HSE & HMRI and they seem to think that as the vehicles are seen as delivery vehicles and not cranes a lifting plan is not necessary, however, if there was an accident they say they would look for this sort of information!! We have put together information on the types of loads and weights they will be lifting and plan to take photos of all the locations they are likely to deliver to. Then the driver or supervisor will sign off the lift each time to say they have considered any other risks and documented them.
Any thoughts would be much appreciated!!
Cheers, Matt
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Posted By Darren J Fraser
Matt
If you know that the HSE and HMRI would look for that sort of information, it would be prudent to investigate how much it would cost to get all drivers through the CSCS card scheme, and then make a decision accordingly.
I notice that you state you use a company to conduct deliveries, i take it this is a contractual arrangement, if so then when the contract is due for renewal or put out to tender, you state that all drivers must have completed the CSCS card scheme.
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Posted By Derrick Robinson
Mat
You need to be aware of the requirement that the operator should be trained to plan the lift not just operate the machine.
I believe there was a case some time ago where a company was prosecuted following an accident with a lorry loader.
The operator was trained to operate the machine but was not trained as a slinger.
He was therefore considered competent to carry out the lift but not to plan it in the first place.
Your man with CPCS lorry loader and slinger would be OK but both aspects need to be covered in the training.
Regards
Derrick
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Posted By Simon R
Mat
With regard to the requirement for Lift Plans, the company I work for works on the basis of definitions of cranes and lorryloaders within BS7121 parts 3 and 4. If the lift is anything other than a pick and drop at the side of the vehicle (e.g. unloading a bag of sand from a flat bed onto the ground beside the vehicle)then we require a fully planned lift.
If it is a pick and drop type lift then Part 4 applies as this is what the BS was designed to cover when it was written. Otherwise the Lorryloader is acting as a crane and so Part 3 applies.
Regards
Simon
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
Derek incidentally raises the point - CSCS is not about Hiab or any other plant use it is the CPCS card which attempts to deal with this - They are not the same thing.
The case mentioned by Derek emphasises very clearly that the regulations are about lifting operations and equipment, not simply the use of cranes, and I think the HSE relaxed view would rapidly change if there was an incident. All work has to be properly planned and executed and, if there is other lifting operations in progress in the vicinity the works must be properly co-ordinated. Technically this would include FLT and similar operations.
Bob
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Posted By RP
Hi,
What should lorry mounted crane operators have?
The CPCS scheme is not a legal requirement, it is one of many schemes which can be used to ensure that operators are 'trained and competent'. Employers should not only rely upon a person holding a 'card' to be deemed competent. This is the function of the employer to ensure that the employee is actually competent to carry out his/hers undertaking. (HAWASA and PUWER and LOLER)
There is no such thing as a 'licence' in existance for operating such equipment. Although I read many years ago HSE where thinking about it for FLT's.
So, what should they hold?
Ans = A nationally recognised qualification to industry standards and the confirmation from the employer that they are 'competent'
Plant schemes, good ones, are a way of ensuring that operatives are trained and assessed to such recognised standards. If an operative holds a CPCS card or other scheme card, does the employer know exactly what was contained within the training and assessment to assist in determining competence at the time, and assisting in identifying continueing competence.
Schemes - CPCS - OPERC - EORS - NOPERS, etc
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