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#1 Posted : 29 August 2006 16:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By David O'Hara
Hi

I am trying to get my hands on a pro forma for auditing people who complete a permit to work.

If anyone can help it would be much appreciated.

Many Thanks
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#2 Posted : 29 August 2006 17:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ian G Hutchings
David

I am afraid I do not have a proforma for this. I would usually get hold of a copy of the permit procedure and docs and just ask open questions with the individual to walk through the process.

Any proforma would depend on your own permit system, as these often differ. Please feel free to email me with more inf. and I can give you some pointers.

I have found in the past that the system is OK, but the roll-out and supportive training & communication was lacking; with different priorities being in place when the commercial pressure was increased.


All the best

Ian
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#3 Posted : 29 August 2006 20:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By Stuart Nagle
Probably more important is assessing the persons issuing and receiving the PTW's
for competence in respect of the particular type of work for which they are issuing
PTW.

If a person has not the level of competence required to safely ensure that a
particular safe system of work has been correctly implemented prior to works
proceeding under a PTW (i.e. confined spaces, electrical works, boilers/pressure systems etc)
they should not be responsible for issuing a PTW for that type of work.

The above should be defined in both risk assessments and safety method statements
and the competency (and evidence of it) of persons carrying out the work defined
by the person issuing the PTW through their own knowledge and expereince and the
provision of evidence of competence in the work, such as training certificates and/or
relevant passports etc that are within date.

The audit of the actual PTW documents will to all intents and purposes only reveal
if they were correctly completed, signed, signed off etc, but if procedures are
fully complied with the accompanying evidence (as detailsed above) should be related to
and perhaps present with the signed off PTW in the records for the works completed.

This would serve as a good measure of the veracity of the procedures employed
and highlight potential weaknesses in the safe systems of work employed with;

1) persons issuing PTW in respect of their competence
2) person receiving PTW and their competence
3) legal compliance issues in respect of competence and training
4) observance of the PTW procedures themselves

Hope this is of use...

Stuart
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#4 Posted : 30 August 2006 02:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By Andrew Lochlyn Ure
David

I'm afraid I don't have a pro-forma to offer but I can tell you I don't agree with Stuart Nagle's posting.

A Permit to Work System is exactly that - a system. The competence of the various action parties involved should be an output of whether the system is working or not. A good system audit will identify all areas of weakness, including any issues aorund competence. To carry out a Permit to Work audit (and I have, many times in the oil and gas industry) I personally would start at the top and follow the Permit process down vertically, or sequentially, through a random selection of permits. Doing it this way, you'll be able to assess whether the hazards arising from the scope of work were addressed and written up correctly, whether the right type of permit was invoked, whether the all the precautions necessary for work to commence were taken before work started and whether the permit was validated/re-validated or completed and signed off as per your procedure. The issue of competence will inevitably arise through the audit trail as it should form part of the PTW procedure, but I wouldn't concentrate on it solely as you risk missing other important factors such as hazard identification, gas testing, correct work equipment, access controls, fire precautions, PPE considerations, emergency response and so on. The audit should be both a desktop exercise and involve observations on site to ensure the entire Permit lifecycle is observed properly, by everyone, including contractors.

The starting point needs to be the PTW procedure, which enshrines the process in a document and it should be relatively straightforward as a Permit is a timeline e.g.identify scope of work, assess risks, identify controls, document, raise permit, sign, hold kick off meeting, ensure precuations are taken, commence etc etc.

Good luck

Andrew
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#5 Posted : 30 August 2006 08:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By danny28
David,

You need to see on the following area:

1. Check his/her PSL (personal safety log book) for stamp or verification that he/she had completed a PTW course.
2. Normally, after a PTW had been closed. You need to see if the worksite signed 1st before the area authority of the work-site. This is obvious on the time when the PTW being signed.
3. If it an EDP (Equipment disjointing permit), see if the check-list is the correct one plus attached with Mechanical or Electrical isolation.
4. Once the PTW has been suspended, then the next day he/she wanted to signed the PTW by a differ person. He/she need to signed on a certain column to be re-authorised for the PTW.
5. When the PTW related to a chemical task. Please do check if attached with relevance document like WIC (work floor instruction card.


Hope that helps...
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#6 Posted : 30 August 2006 08:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By Peter Longworth
Good morning Dave
I would check the requirements of the system and check that they had been met. So for instance, if the permit is for entry in to a confined space and the system calls for air monitoring, one of the questions would be "Has atmospheric monitoring taken place?". If you go through the procedure systematically checking each requirement that should give you your checklist.
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#7 Posted : 30 August 2006 09:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By garyh
I don't understand Danny28's statement about a "PSL (personal safety log book)".

I have audited, managed PTW systems and trained issuers and acceptors in the chemical industry (inluding introducing a new PTW system on a higher tier COMAH site) and have never come across the term.

Can someone enlighten me.
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#8 Posted : 30 August 2006 09:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By Antony McManus
David, have e-mailed you a pro-forma direct.
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