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Posted By CRT
Being an avid reader of this forum, it is disappointing to see how many threads end up with an element of criticism attached.
Most people post in an attempt to illicit help from fellow professionals. Most respondees do so in the same spirit, however some are guilty (me included) of jumping in feet first without first checking the facts, once more i`m sure this is done in the right spirit bearing in mind that we are supposedly amongst friends. Some recent threads have, in my opinion, degenerated into petty bickering and "one upmanship". Could i suggest that we treat each other with a sense of professional respect, and accept that we are entitled to voice opinions without the fear of being on the receiving end of wilting criticism from our "peers".
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Posted By Manny
I totally agree. There are some people out there (thee with 3 initials) who have have responded frequently, to several topics (mainly concerning females or children) over the last couple of weeks, and yet they have to date not offered any type of constructive advice.
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Posted By Bunny
The trouble is I don't necessariuly think that everyone posting on this forum should be called a H&S professional. I would certainly want to distance myself from some of my so called peers.
I would agree that it often does degenerate into a slanging match, the trouble is that there seems to be this draconian philosophy that you can't challenge what someone else says without being called a trouble maker.
I also get cross that moderators will remove some posts and not others, frequently the sexist remarks get left in but 'old hands' seem to be able to say whatever they want. It sometimes comes across as very 'old boys club'.
There are many times when I think of quitting IOSH becuase of it but my CV would be considered empty without it, despite all my qualifications and experience.
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Posted By Dave Wilson
Also what is written may actually be taken out of context as the 'poster' may be saying something with a smile and a grin but may come across as very arrogant by the reader etc
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Posted By Merv Newman
Bunny,
this chat show is not exclusively reserved for "H&S" professionals. Anyone can join in. We frequently see cries for help from people who have been dumped with a problem and are coming here for a probable source of information.
And, you are right, some of us (me included) do tend to give off-the-cuff answers.
But I don't think the "old hands" get away with it that much. I've had one thread removed and received a couple of e-mails from the moderators this year suggesting that I modify my posting style. Which I did, of course.
Stay cool
Merv
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Posted By Max Bancroft
This forum is an open forum so not all who post are or would claim to be H&S professionals - that is why you get some questions to which the answers (to some of us at any rate) are blindingly obvious. So we should treat them gently.
And there are some questions to which professionals even sometimes need advice and assistance from their peers (see my recent posting for an example).
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Posted By Bunny
Then I stand corrected. I did not realise that this was an 'open' forum. I thought you had to be an IOSH member and therefore a health and safety professional.
No wonder I get so fed up with reading some of the posts.
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Posted By Mat
Yes i agree, you get all sorts on here,
jack of all trades master of none, comes to mind.
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Posted By Bob Shillabeer
Yes we seem to be doing it again. The impression we give to those who are general users/visitors to this forum is not good. For those of us who are H&S professionals we should remember those who ask our help do so because they need to get some help from those who know (supposedly) what they are about. We have a duty to help where we can so let's try and understand these people and act professionally.
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Posted By JAI
I like this site,
It’s good you can ask for advice, give advice and some even try to get a job
99% of people coming onto the web site are extremely helpful or know someone who is, that’s why this site is so well known
Yes we spit our dummies out now and then that’s because we all have strong opinions
Advice to all
Keep posting, if some of the comments posted are wrong, then please give the right advice in a professional manner with no criticism
Jai
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Posted By Dave Wilson
a case in point on this very thread I may ad, it is always a good idea to ignore the majority of posters who do not allow you access to their email address as some of them are just out to make mischief!
I said that polietly
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Posted By Steven
Dave - sorry but i disagree
Steve
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Posted By Dave Wilson
Steve,
you may not be aware, or you will learn quickly, that certain 'posters' on here do this for a laugh or to wind up to get a reaction from legitimate people who give advice, notv all thgough as some have removed their email access due to spam or abusive emails which I understand.
You will get to know and recognise who they are!
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Posted By Paul Hay
I've always thought that one of the problems in our profession is the 'I know more than you' type attitude that some (many) people seem to have. H&S is very often a game of interpretation and opinion and a forum like this is an excellent tool for debate. If individuals want to snipe and carry on like children it will, in my opinion, damage the image of a profession that is just starting to gain real credability.
Paul
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Posted By Andy Walker
Well said Paul
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Posted By Diane Thomason
Dave you are right, but I'd add that some of the mischief-makers do make their email address visible so this is not a reliable way of identifying those to be wary of.
Sometimes the email address is hotmail or similar and these are very easy to set up and change, whilst giving nothing away as to who you are.
Diane
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Posted By Max Bancroft
Perhaps we should have a (bigger) notice at the top making it clear that this is an open forum and not restricted to IOSH member so that anyone who comes across it and starts reading doesn't attribute all the views & opinions to the H&S profession.
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Posted By May
Hi everybody,
I'm getting into my 5th mth as a Quality Controller and I still hv alot to learn. I try to go on this forum everyday, if I can. I hv learned alot fr the threads posted... and I always look forward to the Friday afternoons when everybody(almost!) tries to chill out abit!
My boss said that the H&S side will be part of my responsibility eventually, so I'm trying my best not to let him down.
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Posted By Jan Rowney
I too try and read the threads daily and find the site extremely useful and sometimes most entertaining - I have quite a giggle at times which is nice!
I did not realise this was an "open" site, I too had assumed it was only available to IOSH members - that certainly clarifies some of the responses that appear on some threads. I agree I think clarification should be made on the opening page that it is an open forum.
Jan
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Posted By Davelfc
Good thread CRT,
I read with dismay when others are put down and as in life, all with good morals should rise above the temptation to do so.
This forum is an excellent tool for safety professionals with and without experience and as eluded to in ealier posts, is an excellent source of information with that font of knowledge out there in the proffesion (for H&S profesionals and non those that are seeking advice). No matter how good and experienced an individual is I challenge they do not know all, in this vast arena of safety that reaches across all industry and life. With that in mind, what they do know in the spitit of life should be shared it is a pity to leave this world the short time we are on it without sharing our life experience & Knowledge especially when it is for the good and benefit of many, and I am sure this site has contributed to making workplaces safer from knowledge passed and gained, which will have gone un-noticed and undoubtably saved personal injury and in some cases lives.
Let us all have some humility and understanding with one another no matter experience and keep this forum as professional (oh and fun!) i feel I know some of the people who reguallrly post and support the forum and also do a lot of what I have said with the right spirit, I wish I had mervs humour
Lets stay positive and learn and generally confirm in some cases our thoughts, and use the forum for what it stands for and is intended.
Sorry for being so deep, but it is meaningful.
Sincerley Dave
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Posted By JAI
Dave
To achieve Merv’s spirit simply drink plenty of wine and eat food with strange names
Jai
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Posted By Davelfc
Jai
fazackerly my point hick!
Dave
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