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Posted By Max Bancroft
I have received a safety data sheet which contains in Sect 16 some P phrases "Essential Phrases" eg P99 May produce allergic reaction.
Essential Phrases are new to me - I've been through the COSHH ACoP and CHIP and searched HSE website but can't find any explanation.
Can anybody help?
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Posted By Steven
This came with Dulux product data sheets.
“Where 'J' and/or 'P' phrases are denoted, these are ICI Paints or paint industry
reference codes to additional phrases.”
Hope it helps
steve
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Posted By Bunny
There are risk phrases (beginning with an R) and safety phrases (beginning with an S). These are directed from EC legislation.
I have a hard copy of what they all mean but I don't remember where I got them from. Try searching the web or try the HSE website.
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Posted By Max Bancroft
Thanks Bunny - the safety sheets have also got risk and safety phrases with which I am familar. These came with a variety of paints and I wasn't sure of their standing.
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Posted By Max Bancroft
Steve - thanks and that was interesting - the PDF file to which you referred gives R (risk), P (other), S (safety) phrases as legally required with J being described as ICI specific voluntary phrase. So according to ICI, P phrases are "legally" required but what I want to know is which piece of legislation/ACoP introduced these.
One of these is causing me confusion. One of the paints has "P99 May cause an allergic reaction" but there is no "R42 or R43 - May cause sensitisation by inhalation/skin contact" which I would have expected to be present.
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Posted By Paul Leadbetter
Max
You should take up your last point with the paint manufacturer; it wouldn't be the first time that a mistake has been found in an MSDS. On the other hand, there may not be enough evidence for assignment of an official risk phrase but enough for them to assign their own.
Paul
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Posted By gham
Max
There is a difference between sensitisation and an allergic reaction eg penut oil will not cause a rash but with some persons it can kill or cause severe illness
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Posted By Is Kismet
What's penut oil used for?
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Posted By gham
i meant peanut
it was an analogy. albeit apparently a poor one
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Posted By Steven
Max
To be honest i was hoping there was someone out there that would be able to let you know what and where the "P" phrases come from, because i haven't a clue!!
It has got me interested as i have never heard of "p" phrases, let alone the fact that they are a legal requirement.
Steve
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Posted By Max Bancroft
Hi All - I'll be pursuing Dulux et al to seek clarification and will report back but won't be till I get back from leave in 2.5 weeks.
Shows the value of this discussion forum - you think you know a lot but there is always something else to learn!
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Posted By Kevin Walker
Hi,
P phrase relate to the Council Directive of 7 June 1988 on the approximation of the laws, regulations and administrative provisions of the Member States relating to the classification, packaging, and labelling of dangerous preparations (OJ EC L 187 of 16 July 1988)
Special product phrases or P-phrases: are special markings for certain
preparations with specific hazards (e.g. preparations containing lead,
cyanoacrylates, isocyanates, epoxides, etc.), as prescribed according to the General Directive on Preparations. These are transferred automatically to the classified preparations (maximally 2 per substance or 4 per preparation).
Whether they are still applicable under the newer guidleines I don't know.
kevin
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Posted By Descarte
An interesting one.
Myself and others in the office were under the inpression that P-Phrases were lower risk than R-Phrases.
An example would be where a chemical composition contained a substance which does cause allergic reactions, but is in a concentration within the preperation in an insignificant quantity to justify an R Phrase. Though it may still cause an allergic reaction in sensitive or sensitised person so a P Phrase can be added.
Maybe this is a safety urban myth? Oh and I cant find a reference for P-Phrases in CHIP, COSHH, ADR, MSDS and other regs
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Posted By Kevin Walker
You are right it is an interesting one:
From looking at the CHIP regs Sched 5 part II part b it contains the same type of chemicals I listed above but instead of a P phrase and number it has a phrase to be added, eg
Cyanoacrylate based adhesives
2.—(1) The immediate packages of glues based on cyanoacrylates shall bear the following inscription—
“Cyanoacrylate.
Danger.
Bonds skin and eyes in seconds.
Keep out of the reach of children.”.
(2) Appropriate safety advice shall accompany the package.
from this I would assume (loosely) that the p phrase is now a statement to be added to the MSDS as information rather than a broad R45 for example.
cheers
kevin
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