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Posted By Is Kismet
I'm looking for sources of information on legal/guidance/recommendations for driver working hours - the vehicles are mostly cars but with some van driving involved.
Is there a maximum total of hours per week
Are there mandatory breaks requirements
Is there a daily maximum hours of working
Can there be a mix of driving/passenger hours.
Rules:
1) I do not need criticism or references about lack of competence for not knowing the answers to the questions - I'm an established H&S consultant and have been asked this question on a topic which is not normally within my remit but on which I'm quite happy to research to the level required.
2) Certainly add other topics if (IF) they are relevant to these questions but the maintenance regimes, age of vehicles, insurance and other factors involved in driving safe cars/vans as work equipment are all in place.
3) I'm looking for referenced sources of information and accurate answers please.
My thanks to all who are prepared to assist!
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Posted By TBC Here's a site with some useful info and links: http://www.orsa.org.uk/It may not answer your questions fully.
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Posted By Is Kismet
Thanks TBC, I hadn't seen that site before.
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Posted By Maj
I have quite a bit of information, which I can email to you which gives all information required if you have not found this out already
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Posted By sylvia
No, no (except from Working Time Regs - although not sure if "transport" exemption applies anyway), ditto, and yes.
Normal Highway Code driving rules apply. There are no other legislative standards re: hours in this situation.
Even driving instructors (cars & light vans) who are a slightly different class of driver affected by additional legislation, can be on the road as long as they want (!) - mainly "passenger miles" of course, but as, if not more, tiring than actually driving.
However, as you know, driver fatigue is a serious issue, so "reasonableness" comes into play - therefore it's your call!
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Posted By Is Kismet
It has confirmed my view that there is no statutory legislation on car/light van driver hours - and provided some good sources of reference - I just wanted to be 100% positive.
Many thanks.
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Posted By Pierre de Carteret
Hi,
Suggest you comply with EU drivers hours regardless of what they're driving as this will give you an extremly good defense should the worst happen.
Don't be fooled either as the legislation is very generous when it comes to working time - a lot of drivers are still at work in excess of 60 hours a week (which I think is more than enough for anybody in any work area!)
Regards,
Pierre
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Posted By Is Kismet
I've got enough now John, so I haven't bothered looking at your references.
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Posted By John Murgatroyd Oh, that's ok. Most people on here only want confirmation of pre-conceived ideas anyway! However, you may want to read this: http://www.dft.gov.uk/st..._022954-03.hcsp#P83_5772about driving, drivers, and the WTD. Seems that the definition of self-employed and "driver" isn't the same as usual. Always interesting when different gov depts adopt different meaning for the same thing ! I really don't think we'll agree on anything, as you've insinuated before, you make money out of giving advice about H&S.....and, no doubt, ways around it ! I spend a bit of time finding ways to get around vanilla H&S policies, to the cash advantage of others.
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Posted By GT
Make it easy for yourself and contact
the Ministry of Transport ...they'll tell you what you need to know.
GT
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Posted By Is Kismet
Try your own advice GT, I've been there, done that, and for some useful information came on to this forum.
Let me know how you get on.
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