Welcome Guest! The IOSH forums are a free resource to both members and non-members. Login or register to use them

Postings made by forum users are personal opinions. IOSH is not responsible for the content or accuracy of any of the information contained in forum postings. Please carefully consider any advice you receive.

Notification

Icon
Error

Options
Go to last post Go to first unread
Admin  
#1 Posted : 06 September 2006 09:51:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By Mark Eastbourne
Hi

I wonder if you can help?

For some reason I intrinsically feel it is wrong when someone says to me that Health and Safety is just common sense.

Does anyone have a set answer I can offer?

Many thanks

Mark
Admin  
#2 Posted : 06 September 2006 09:54:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By Stuart McPhaden
I usually say something along the lines of - sense is not common to all.
Admin  
#3 Posted : 06 September 2006 10:01:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By Breezy
Simply take a situation where there is much public debate and arguement and apply 'common sense' reasoning to prove your point.

For example: "The increased use of police speed cameras is a common sense response to prevent the public from speeding."

It gets 'em every time!

It's exactly because sense is not common that the likes of Locke and Hulme and other philosophers have written volumes on the subject.

if you're really that interested, take a look at this link:

http://www.answers.com/common+sense&r=67
Admin  
#4 Posted : 06 September 2006 10:43:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By The toecap
I say that Mark Twain wrote that 'common sense isn't that common'. On the driving issue i state that we all know that not drinking and driving is common sense, but people still do it.
Admin  
#5 Posted : 06 September 2006 10:43:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By Nick House
Common sense is learned bahaviour. Therefore, 'common sense' is only 'common' when you have an awareness and understanding of the topic and/ or environment in which it is to be applied.
Admin  
#6 Posted : 06 September 2006 10:46:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By D Whitelegg
Thought this might be of intereste to you.

David

Obituary


The sad passing of common sense

Today we mourn the passing of a beloved old friend, Common Sense, who has been with us for many years. No one knows for sure how old he was since his birth records were long ago lost in bureaucratic red tape.

He will be remembered as having cultivated such valuable sessions as knowing when to come in out of the rain, why the early birds gets the worm, life isn't always fair and maybe it was my fault.

Common Sense lived by simple, sound financial policies (don't spend more than you earn) and reliable parenting strategies (adults, not children, are in charge).

His health began to deteriorate rapidly when well intentioned but overbearing regulations were set in place.

Reports of a six-year-old boy charged with sexual harassment for kissing classmate; teens suspended from school for using mouthwash after lunch; and a teacher fired for reprimanding an unruly student, only worsened his condition.

Common Sense lost ground when parents attacked teachers for doing the job they themselves failed to do in disciplining their unruly children.

It declined even further when schools were required to get parental consent to ADMINISTER Panadol, sun lotion or a sticky plaster to a student – but could not inform the parents when a student became pregnant and wanted to have an abortion.

Common Sense lost the will to live as the ten commandments became contraband, churches became businesses and criminals received better treatment than their victims.

Common Sense took a beating when you couldn't defend yourself from a burglar in your own home and the burglar can sue you for assault.



Common Sense finally gave up the will to live after a woman failed to realise that a steaming cup of coffee was hot. She spilled a little in her lap, and was promptly awarded a huge settlement.

Common Sense was preceded in death by his parents, Truth and Trust; his wife, Discretion; his daughter, Responsibility; and his son, Reason. He is survived by three stepbrothers; I Know My Rights, Someone Else Is To Blame and I Am A Victim.

Not many attended his funeral because so few realised he was gone.

If you still remember him pass this on. If not join the majority and do nothing.

Admin  
#7 Posted : 06 September 2006 10:47:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By Stephen A
"Common sense is not so common"
--Voltaire
or
"Everybody gets so much information all day long that they lose their common sense."
Admin  
#8 Posted : 06 September 2006 10:50:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By ChrisB
Mark,

Simply correct them and point out that the majority of health and safety practice is just GOOD sense.
Admin  
#9 Posted : 06 September 2006 10:56:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By Bob Thompson CMIOSH
common sense ids not common practice
Admin  
#10 Posted : 06 September 2006 10:57:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By Bob Thompson CMIOSH
espescially when yoo cand spill
Admin  
#11 Posted : 06 September 2006 11:12:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By J Knight
Hi Folks,

Common sense is an excuse for not thinking, and at its worse merely reifies the ignorance of the man in the pub. Common sense will tell you that the Sun moves round the Earth, that humans were created by God, and that lightning comes down from the sky.

It forbids enquiry, and would, for example, permit the egregious falsehoods in the 'amusing' piece quoted by D Whiteleg above to stand unchallenged.

Common sense has been invoked to try and deny women's emancipation and racial equality in the USA.

H&S is not common sense, it is based on the law and needs to be approached with intelligence and and inquiring mind,

John
Admin  
#12 Posted : 06 September 2006 11:12:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By Kevin Mclaughlan
No ammount of common sense can tell you if an electrical cable has a hidden fault or if ceiling tiles contain asbestos.
Admin  
#13 Posted : 06 September 2006 11:17:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By Mark Eastbourne
Many thanks Stuart, Breezy, The Toecap, Nick, Dave, Stephen, Chris, Bob, John and Kevin, I found all your comments very helpful, thank you very much for taking the time to post.

Mark
Admin  
#14 Posted : 06 September 2006 11:26:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By John Allen
It’s disappointing to see the “Stella myth” recycled yet again in D Whitelegg’s posting. It makes you wonder how many of the other parts of it are true.

John and Kevin’s postings say it all. I would think that about 90% of human progress has depended on “common sense” being turned on its head. Safety practitioners should always be ready to challenge it.

Admin  
#15 Posted : 06 September 2006 11:34:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By Robert K Lewis
I usually provide one of two answers

a)Most accidents happen on roads with a dark coloured surface - Common sense is that changing the colour to a light one will reduce accidents!

b) Only people with common sense can realise that it is more than common sense.

I think that this attitude is one which draws heavily on the rule following attitudes that used to exist in the profession. We can still see it present today with many people insistent that our role is about inspection and correction of defects found, even from within the profession.

We also sell ourselves down when we are attempting to get managers to take on risk assessment - using the common phrase " it is a matter of applying common sense". Show me an accountant that will say it is simply a matter of adding up the numbers.

Bob
Admin  
#16 Posted : 06 September 2006 14:00:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By Jane Blunt
A related thought

A control measure that would have prevented a mishap is often glaringly obvious after the event. In other words, hindsight tends to be a wonderful thing. We have a tendency to call this common sense.

Jane
Admin  
#17 Posted : 06 September 2006 14:16:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By Dan Lynch
Mark

My usual answer to this is to give the example of a young child putting their hand into a cup of steaming water. Common sense will tell adults that if there is steam rising then it is hot but as a child has not experienced this he has no "common sense", which is not correct. Common sense is based on experience and training.

It worker are dealing hazardous chemicals or machinery how can they apply common sense if they have not been trained. Acid looks just like water and we do not want to wait for someone to put their hand in it to get some "common sense" to realise that chemicals can cause burns. Thus the need for safety training.

Tell them not to wait for someone to have an accident to get common sense

Admin  
#18 Posted : 06 September 2006 14:18:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By Lilian McCartney
Hi Mark,

When I'm asked this I say that unfortunately not everybody applies it.
Depending on who is saying and tone of saying 'it's only common sense' I try to give an every day example like crossing the road. It's 'common sense' to look for traffic, therefore why do some people forget and get hit by a car?
That usually gives them something to think about for a while

Lilian
Admin  
#19 Posted : 06 September 2006 15:16:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By Mark Eastbourne
Thank you also John, Jane, Dan and Lilian (Lilian, you are sweet by the way) for your responses and personal examples which I have found very informative.

So it looks like we are in agreement then that Health and Safety is not just Common Sense?

Good stuff, thank you for your time.


Admin  
#20 Posted : 06 September 2006 16:03:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By FJ
How about "its 90% acquired common sense"?
Admin  
#21 Posted : 06 September 2006 18:34:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By p winter
The best one I hear'd was "once there's
been and accident you realise common sense is not quite as common as you thought"
Admin  
#22 Posted : 06 September 2006 23:58:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest
Admin

Posted By Brett Day
John Allen I second your comments and would also throw the school first aid items into the fray, My sister is allergic to penicillin, the school had been notified, but despite this they put a plaster on that had a penicillin based coating. One very badly ulcerated leg later, fortunately now as an adult the scars have faded.

Likewise the Panadol/Paracetamol/aspirin comment during my time in the RAF search and rescue (we also did air ambulance duties) I attended several overdoses from first aiders adminstering medications (most were asprin based) and either forgeting the dosage, another first aider takes over and re-administers, or for a very spectacular and painful death adminstering to a casualty with severe ulcers (they have a nasty habit of bleeding out).
Users browsing this topic
Guest
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.