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Posted By The toecap
Do workers who are to be working on Textured coatings have to have undergone a medical, legally.
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Posted By Steven
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Posted By Dave Wilson
As it stands at the moment YES as it is a licensed product!!!!
In short No under the new CARegs 2006, however having read the new Regs and ACop if the 'Risk Assessment',( which is legally required to be produced before ANY ACM removal job), identifies that the removal process is NOT of 'Sporadic and Low intensity' and could be above the Cl of 0.1f/ml it then requires a licensed contractor to remove it and in that case then they will have to have a medical, cos if you go above the 0.1f/ml then the work is not 'SALI' and cannot be done by just anybody!
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Posted By Stephen R Robinson
It depends on the work. If the work is of short duration, i.e 1 hour in a 7 day week or 2 man hours total, (including time taken for set up) then medical surveillance is not required. However, operatives should still be adequately trained.
If you are removing textured coating, you need to use licensed contractors.
If however you are doing other works such as drilling holes for cables, this can be carried out by non-licensed contractors.
Guidance on this can be found in HSG210 Asbestos Essentials Task Manual. Guidance Sheet A9 on page 42.
Hope this helps.
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Posted By Dave Wilson
Stepehen disagree mate if you are drilling holes it is 'work with Asbestos' and requires to be done by a licensed contractor unless it is 'minor works' which is what you said.
2 hours for total job or 1 hour in any seven days, that means you cannot to 2 hours today and 2 tomorrow / if you use the 1 in 7 rule then that person cannot do any other 'minor works' until sevendays have elapsed.
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Posted By Salus
Stephen, I agree and understood you perfectly.
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Posted By Dave Wilson
Sorry guys I have to disagree this task page is designed for "Drilling holes in ASBESTOS CEMENT and other HIGHLY bonded materials,
The page you need to read is Page 5 and follow the diagram
Can the work be carried out without disturbing the asbestos Material? - NO! - Does the work involve disturbance of asbestos insulation, coating or board? - YES! - Will the work result in a person working for more than 1 hour in any 7 days or will the time spent by all people on the work be over 2 hours? - NO! then can do yourself but if YES! - Is the work to be carried out on your own premises by your own specially trained employees? - NO! - A specialist contractor licensed by the HSE must be used.
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Posted By Stephen R Robinson
I'm a little worried about getting into an arguement here but the first paragraph of page 42 states:
"This task guidance sheet can be used where holes need to be drilled in asbestos cement, decorative coatings, bitumen products..."
On the opposite page there is a picture of controlled drilling through a decorative coating.
But yes, page 5 and in fact the other spread sheets provided in the guidance give exellent guidance with regards to Asbestos management.
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Posted By Dave Wilson
Stephen this is the methodology you would use if you were drilling holes in TC but only under the minor works rule.
On other pages it also talks about Pipe lagging and AIB which you can do but again in accordance with HSG 210 and as long as it is minor works!
If its above the time threshold then it is licensed work.
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Posted By Stephen R Robinson
Of course you are right on this point. As we have both said, if it is not minor works, use licensed contractors. However, if it is minor works, the guidance is a good one.
I do disagree with the Task Manual every now and then. I would never recommend to a client that they remove a single AIB ceiling tile as described in the Task Manual. Stuff like that I would leave to licensed contractors.
However, that is probably for another thread...
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