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#1 Posted : 13 September 2006 09:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By Nicholas Morris I am looking for the type of speaker who has been involved in an accident and is now making presentations explaining what happened and how it has affected their life. I know there are a few doing the rounds but am not sure how/ where to find them. Has anyone used anyone of this nature? Feedback on how effective this has been would be useful too please. I am looking for maximum impact and a degree of shock value.
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#2 Posted : 13 September 2006 09:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By R Hindle where are you based? and some speakers charge a lot for the service you know. Ron
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#3 Posted : 13 September 2006 09:31:00(UTC)
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Posted By Nicholas Morris I am in Scunthorpe, N Lincs. Cost not necessarily an issue- would rather pay the extra for quality
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#4 Posted : 13 September 2006 09:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ali It is often possible, in my experience, to get some support from the local Environmental Health dept. of your Council. They usually have H&S enforcement officers who are skilled in accident investigations and can give their time for free - I know as I used to be one !
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#5 Posted : 13 September 2006 09:40:00(UTC)
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Posted By Descarte Oh no! not another Scunthorpian on the forums! Maybe if you could give an indication of the type of accident you would like to prevent, fire, chemical, back injury etc you could get something more specific to your industry. I know Conoco when I worked there had Charlie, from remember charlie video there, a very moving and emotional presentation which would make any one think twice again about not wearing their PPE Des Scunthorpe/Ashby born and bread
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#6 Posted : 13 September 2006 10:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis Descarte You of all should know that it is Scunthonian. My wife is the Scunthonian yellowbelly however!!! Bob
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#7 Posted : 13 September 2006 10:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tony Brunskill Nicholas, A few months ago there was a posting onhere by an individual offering this exact service. I do not recall the details. Perhaps a search of the archive would yield something. Regsrds Tony
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#8 Posted : 13 September 2006 10:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bob Thompson CMIOSH Hi Nicholas I have been involved in many accidents but the most significant life changing event was contracting stage 5 vwf and whole body vibration syndrome. It has had major implications on my quality of life. I would be pleased to talk to any groups about this (with negotiation)I have quite an effective spiel Regards Bob
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#9 Posted : 13 September 2006 10:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tony Brunskill Have a look at: http://www.iosh.co.uk/in...iew&forum=1&thread=17272
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#10 Posted : 13 September 2006 11:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By lewes I have no experience of anyone but this person kindly allowed me to use his photo's for in-house use. Have a look at: www.accident-awareness.co.uk
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#11 Posted : 13 September 2006 12:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By Polly It may be worth talking to Ian Wittingham, I think he can be contacted through the HSE, I have seen him giving a good presentation about the after effects of his accident. A google search will bring up more details.
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#12 Posted : 13 September 2006 13:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By Nicholas Morris Bit of digging around: Ian Whittingham seems to be construction site safety- I'm looking for something relevant to food industry manufacture. Remember Charlie video or speaker himself could be a possibility- anyone have any details? Any other suggestions? Also, the earlier thread had a message from a "Frank": are you out there?
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#13 Posted : 13 September 2006 13:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By Rachael Palmer Ken Woodward is very good. I think information about how to contact him has been posted in previous threads
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#14 Posted : 13 September 2006 14:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By lewes Frank occasionally posts on here from what ive seen. I think his contact details are on his website (www.accident-awareness.co.uk)and when I last communicated with him I think he was in the process of doing presentations full-time or about to. Like I say I dont actually know the guy or anything about his presentations just that he let me use his photo's.
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#15 Posted : 13 September 2006 15:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dee The chap you are enquiring about is Frank Carrano. Will e-mail you his details direct. Best Regards - Dee
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#16 Posted : 13 September 2006 15:36:00(UTC)
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Posted By Nicholas Morris Ken Woodward sounds promising: can anyone email me his contact details please?
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#17 Posted : 27 September 2006 14:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By Frank Hi Nicholas I think you have been trying to get hold of me. I know you have been trying to get Ken. If he is not avail give me a shout I might be able to help you out. You can contact me via the website which someone has put on a previous thread or my e-mail if you like. Best Regards Frank
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#18 Posted : 28 September 2006 12:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tony Carr Hi Nicholas You asked has anyone used someone of this nature, I can confirm that I have used Frank Carrano. I see that Frank has e-mailed you direct, so I am assuming by now you have touched base with him, if not I just want to assure you that after he came and did several presentations to my workforce, it definitely was hard hitting and impacted on my staff. You want shock value well he will give it to you along with some nasty slides of his injuries. He goes into detail as to how it has affected his life and family members. His presentation is indeed very affective, it beats anything I have seen other than the Ken Woodward Video. My recommendations to you are simple, either get Ken or Frank in person, it is so much more hard hitting when they are right in front of you. Keep up the good work Ken/Frank its people like you who have suffered so much, change peoples attitudes and behavior and make our world just that little bit safer. Tony
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#19 Posted : 04 October 2006 08:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By Christian Hi Nick and all post-ers to this forum Did you get any responses from speakers based in the South East - I'd be interested in any recommendations for my safety group in Sussex. I only have a small fee/expenses to pay, but the introduction to other safety managers of large local employers might earn them future work. Manufacturing preferred, but any industry OK Thanks in advance Regards Christian
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#20 Posted : 04 October 2006 10:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By Frank Hi Christian You have mail Regards Frank
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#21 Posted : 09 October 2006 12:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By Christian Hi Nicholas hope you are well I wonder if you/anybody else can let me have Ken Woodwards details, or anybody else interesting that you have found (Got Frank Carrano on board already), for a safety speaking event in the South East this december. many thanks in advance kind regards Christian
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#22 Posted : 10 October 2006 16:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Thornton Hi my name is Chris Thornton and in 2004 I was involved in an explosion at work losing most of my right leg. I am still having operations but have since retrained myself in health and safety passing the IOSH, NEBOSH General and the PDipSHEM. When I'm fit for work I would consider doing presentations on my accident and combine my health and safety knowledge, I have spoken to Frank and he as given me good feed back. If Ian, Ken or anyone who believes they can help me when I am ready to get started I would be very grateful. Regards Chris CHThornton@BTInternet.com
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#23 Posted : 22 October 2006 16:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Hi my Name is Paul Burns and I am the shock horror behavioral specialist I have being involved accident
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#24 Posted : 22 October 2006 16:49:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Hi my name is Paul Burns of CB Safety Service Ltd, I have being involved in an industrial accident and currently present seminars on prevention of accidents by showing the consequences of not following H&S proceedures. I have valuable experience which may be of some use to you and am willing to travel to all parts of the UK to get my message across. Some of the clients that I have worked for are on my website at www.cbsafetyserviceltd.co.uk If you are interested in a hard hitting safety presentation don't hesitate to call me on 01229 826620. Regards Paul Burns Behavioural Safety Consultant
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#25 Posted : 22 October 2006 16:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By Merv Newman I wish the very best to all those who have been injured or have lost a member of their family in an accident. Please employ as many as you can get hold of. They need us. I have been in some fantastic sessions with some people like this. But I will not (I'm having trouble finding the right words so bear with me)(OK now) use that approach. People come out of those sessions looking very thoughtful and convinced. But their minds immediately start trying to forget such an unpleasant image or experience. They do not want to remember and certainly not think about something as bad as that ! So while the short term effect is profound (a good occasion for getting that difficult safety procedure approved) long term it is not that effective. People do tend to fall back, after a time, into the old, dangerous behaviours and habits. If you are having trouble finding someone local or available, talk to the fire brigade, ambulance service or motorway maintenance people. They are too often the first on the scene of a serious accident. Dead children sprawled across the road. Sometimes, if you can get them to talk about it, they will cry. And they'll do anything for a beer. Or a donation to the Widows and Orphans. Sorry. Lump in me throat remembering the last time I had to do that. Merv
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#26 Posted : 23 October 2006 16:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Thornton You have a valid point Merv, people may shut bad thoughts away and resort back to bad practise, but that could be said for any presentation, accident victim or fire officer and as we all know H&S is only part effective if senior management do not embrace it I still believe however that a worker from the same background as the audience, showing scars or disability and explaining how their lives have changed both physically and mentally, their relationships, their sex lives, their social lives, the list goes on. A fire officer speaks of horrific injuries he has witnessed, with all due respect to the fire officer I know which presentation I would choose. Sorry for been on the defensive a bit Merv, but I laid in mud looking at two bones, blood and flesh where my right knee once was, in pain like no other waiting for an ambulance for what seemed to take an eternity. A policeman found my leg some hours later 41 metres from were I was. I'm sure that policeman as nightmares and may have a story to tell and I hope he is fine. After reading just a snippet of what happened to me Merv do you still believe the ambulance driver or the policeman would deliver a better presentation on the accident than myself Sorry for going on a bit Chris.
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#27 Posted : 23 October 2006 17:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By Merv Newman Chris, sorry about that. But I do know that people do not want to remember horrible situations. I'm sure you don't either. Those who have experienced them personally MUST share their memories. It's healing. But it is also traumatic for the person with whom you share. Secondhand (and again I apologise) we really don't want to know too much. It hurts. A while back another poster on this forum sent me some photos of a body. I just wish I could get those images permanently out of my mind. I do not want to think about that situation. As I said, we try not to remember such situations. And if you tried to tell me about your horrible accident, afterwards I would do my best not to bring it to mind. I would try to forget it. So, in my humble opinion, such talks/presentations/discussions will have only a short-term effect. Nasty I know. But true I think. Going back to my previous posting : Can I be of service ? Merv
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#28 Posted : 23 October 2006 18:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By Frank Hi Merv People like myself and Chris who are prepared to tell our story no matter how gory it is do help in the short term and long-term. I tell my story as it is. I don’t pull any punches I talk very graphical about it, I minimise the amount of gory pics without trying to traumatise anyone and it works and to be honest its not so much the fact that you have been injured but more so the fact that what you cant do after your accident. I would love to be able to go ski-ing with my kids again, play Ice hockey and have a healthy sex life but I cant. By telling our stories and bringing to people’s attention the consequences of having an accident on how it could affect their daily life does hit home I can assure you. When I get e-mails from people after they have heard my story, that they owe it to their wife and kids to take safety seriously that tells me its had the right impact. My CEO viewed my presentation and it had such a profound affect on him that he asked me to take it on the road to all our sites. My companies LTA frequency was easily 1 a month, after my accident they didn’t suffer another LTA for 308 days this was based on me having a serious accident and sharing my story with the entire workforce. Also off the back of my accident they introduced a behavioural safety campaign so now it is proactive and safety is in the spotlight more and never on the back burner. People like me a Chris cant stop accidents, no one can but we can sure as hell try our every best to let people know what the rest of their lives will be like when they have become disabled. Sorry Merv but from experience, such talks/presentations/discussions do have a long-term effect. Regards Frank
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#29 Posted : 24 October 2006 10:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Thornton Hi Merv Chris again, I am a confused, I'm not sure why someone like Frank and I talking about our accidents would only have a short term effect because it is too horrific for people to take in but you (or Motorway emergency services) talking about "dead children sprawled across the road" which is also horrific, would have a long term effect.
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#30 Posted : 24 October 2006 20:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By Frank Hi Merv Sorry in my haste yesterday to get my views on this thread I said it was 308 days before our next LTA. I must be numerically dyslexic as it was in fact 803 days. Backed up with flyers of my x ray showing the 12” Titanium plate now screwed to my hip which doesn’t shock people but to just remind them what happened to me, we have significantly reduced the amount of accidents that we were having. So it does go to show that in the long term people like myself who have suffered an accident can help. Regards Frank
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#31 Posted : 25 October 2006 08:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By April Catherine Harvey Frank/Ken if you would not mind contacting me would be very interested in you coming to speak to my next safety induction group in December. Thanks April
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#32 Posted : 25 October 2006 09:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By Frank Hi April You have mail Frank
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#33 Posted : 25 October 2006 12:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tracey Thompson Ken is appearing to speak at the next IOSH branch meeting in West Malling, Kent next month. I saw him in Chelmsford last year and the impact of his presentation was outstanding, definitely recommend him! We went straight out and purchased two of his DVD's to incorporate them into our training programmes. Well worth it! Tracey
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#34 Posted : 25 October 2006 13:52:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Ivan Hi, due a cancellation, I am now looking for aother safety speaker for a commercial/paying event in Sussex in late November. Fee payable. Please email for further details. Cautionary or inspirational tale preferred over techical speaker - Thanks!
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#35 Posted : 25 October 2006 16:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By Merv Newman Chris, Frank, Ken Sorry if I have upsetting you, and you obviously have more experience of this than I do. My apologies. And I hope you get lots of calls. The actual memory of a traumatic event does fade with time It is a natural phenomenon over time. Provided that your presentation is backed up with further long term action then I am sure that the long term gains will be there. The motorway people go through regular counselling and say "you get over it in time" Chris, glad you took on a behavioural programme as well. Not one of mine is it ? Merv
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