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Posted By john frank
We have just completed a new build large workshop/office building. Part of the building has strict access controls installed. the system is operated by swipe cards. for emergency opening of doors we have green "call point" emergency door opening buttons. however the "break glass" is in fact plastic, and the button can be operated by gently pressing the plastic until it operates the button (those personnel who either don't have a card or are gaining unauthorised access have discovered this).
In order to combat this, i want to fit glass as fitted to the fire call points. I have been told that this is no longer acceptable. Unfortunatley i cannot find any regs that relate to this.
can anybody help?
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Posted By Clairey O
to give you more time to stall ask the supplier of the no glass is allowed information what their info sources are. Sorry I can't be more help
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Posted By shaun mckeever
John
I believe there is a new BS being developed which will eliminate the need for the green boxes. If I am correct the new standard will require the fire alarm call point to also release the door in the same way that the green box currently does. For further info on this you might like to email the organisation tasked with putting the BS together - CS Todd Associates. Type the name into your search engine and it should be easy enough to find.
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Posted By Ken Taylor
Modern fire alarm (red) manual call-points seem to be made this way these days too. Probably a 'health and safety' decision. You need the green boxes to sound an alarm if activated. Hopefully you will have a fail-safe system to free the doors incorporated for the event of activation of the fire alarm.
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Posted By David McGuire
HI,
Mabye you should remind the employees that they have a legal duty not miss use any Health and safety equipment etc etc that has been provided by the employer?
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Posted By Charles Robinson Tech IOSH
We have the same system though green boxes are only used on exit doors some exit doors are card readers in both directions and some have a green release button and green box on the exit direction
Many red fire alarm call points are not fail-safe releasing on activation of a fire alarm or power failure but not on a fire alarm system failure
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Posted By shaun mckeever
Charles, if the fire alarm is installed to BS5839 then there should not be a system failure because there should always be a battery back up. I know there are some old systems, particularly in schools, where there are no battery back ups but this would be a failure to comply with the Health and Safety (Signs and Signals) Regulations.
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Posted By Charles Robinson Tech IOSH
Shaun
Many new fire alarms installed to BS 5839 are computer controlled and as with any computer system they can crash. If the installation has fully taken into account control system failure, as should be there would not be a problem, sadly this is not always the case most door release systems are checked for fire alarm activation and power failure with the latter the battery condition needs to be regularly checked
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Posted By Charles Robinson Tech IOSH
Shaun
Many new fire alarms installed to BS 5839 are computer controlled and as with any computer system they can crash. If the installation has fully taken into account control system failure, as should be there would not be a problem, sadly this is not always the case most door release systems are checked for fire alarm activation and power failure with the latter the battery condition needs to be regularly checked
though not system failure.
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Posted By Smiff
EN54-3 is the current standard for (fire system) callpoints, it includes the requirement for resettable elements (plastic glass) There is no reason why you shouldn't fit glass, however you'll give yourself a maintenance nightmare. fit a sounder/beacon to the emergency callpoint and staff will soon get used to not defeating it.
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Posted By john frank
thanks for all your help.
Another battle won. time to move on to the next one .......
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Posted By shaun mckeever
Thanks Charles, it is something I hadn't considered.
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