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#1 Posted : 22 September 2006 12:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By David MacFarlane We have a Gas Maintenance division within our Company based in West Central Scotland. Some of our Maintenance Engineers have brought up the subject of having to enter various smokers' households and carry out they duties while the tenant/owner is smoking. I am up to date with the public places, workplace etc. rule, however I am not positive what the regulations say regarding non-smokers entering and working in a smokers household? Can anyone offer some guidance on this matter. Thank you Dave Mac.
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#2 Posted : 22 September 2006 12:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By Glyn Phillips David, the RRFSO specifically excludes domestic premises that are not workplaces. Therefore the new regulations do not apply to these premises. We have a similar situation, where our employees enter and work in customers workplaces and these work places are not controlled by the RRFSO. As part of the paperwork sent to the customer prior to the visit we request the customer provides a smoke free working environment. In aour view this is as much as we can do without witholding our service. Glyn
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#3 Posted : 22 September 2006 13:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By Salus Hi David, your company needs a policy / procedure on this. You need to make all your clients aware (this could be done by letter) that when your employee/engineer visits their home to carry out work, the tenent should refrain from smoking while your employees are there at work. Also make them aware that if they do insist on smoking while an engineer arrives to carry out work / is working in their property your company would have no option other than it has informed employees not to work in that situation as this would make your company liable. If they persist in smoking while an engineer is carrying out work then your employees would be entitled to stop work as I believe this would constitute a place of work. You have then taken all reasonable steps and fullfilled your duty of care towards your emplyees and clients
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#4 Posted : 22 September 2006 14:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By Richard Altoft I am a bit at a loss to see how RRFSO applies. S2 of HASWA74, COSHH or even confined spaces might but why RRFSO unless we are mainly concerned with occupiers setting employees alight? Occupiers Liability might apply and I thought I had heard that many local authorities and social services units had already banned community nurses and home helps or care workers working in a household where passive smoking was a health risk to their employees. I thought that was in Scotland. I feel it must be the responsibility of the Employer to withdraw services from domestic premises that involve a specified risk rather than on householders to provide a risk free place of work to someone who is not an employee in a place that is domestic. However the IIRSM newsletter page 8 this month has a case of a householder sued by a delivery driver delivering blocks for an extension who fell down a hole on the property and injured his back, he relied on Occ Liability Act1957 - is passive smoking any different? R
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#5 Posted : 22 September 2006 14:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By David MacFarlane I appreciate your your imput guys! V. Helpful David M.
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#6 Posted : 23 September 2006 22:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mike Palfrey Give them a respirator, like you would in any circumstance where there is a risk of exposure to a harmful substance that could not, SFAIRP, be 100% removed. I would say there is a greater risk of injury, to more people, from an un-maintained gas appliance either exploding or generating large amnounts of carbon monoxide, to withdraw the service because of a few minutes exposure to cigarette smoke. Regards
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#7 Posted : 24 September 2006 15:01:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ian Waldram HSE have published some helpful guidance about what they consider it's reasonable for Inspectors to enforce, including the tricky issue of workers exposed to second-hand smoke in Scotland. Their leaflet OC 255/15 can be found via a link on their What's New webpage w/c 11 September, or directly at http://www.hse.gov.uk/fo...d/oc/200-299/255_15.pdf. Hope this helps.
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#8 Posted : 25 September 2006 14:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By MarkS Its a bit of a statement of the obvious but I would have thought that the risk to your employees from passive smoking was rather less significant than the risk of a really big bang if someone sparks up whilst undertaking gas maintenance work. I imagine that the guidance given to your employees and customers on the avoidance of explosions could be amended to deal with the problems arising from a possible passive smoking issue ie. "you cant do it."
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#9 Posted : 26 September 2006 23:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By chris white Dave I'm not sure where I got this information from but I belive one of the Scottish Councils request that no one smokes in the house for 1 hour prior to or during visits from any council employees. It may be council houses though which gives the council better power to enforce it. I'd give your local council a phone and get their policy for their staff. Hope this helps.
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#10 Posted : 27 September 2006 08:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By Stupendous Man I'm a bit unsure as to how a company can be 'liable' for sending a gas engineer into a house where someone smokes. Correct me if I am wrong, but some jobs to do with gas/electrical safety, along with some local authority and health service tasks have a statutory footing. Therefore, a company will have to mitigate the risk SFARP - there is no compulsion to eliminate the risk altogether.
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#11 Posted : 02 October 2006 20:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bruce Davidson David, Chris mentioned a council in Scotland and their smoking policy, it is called the passive smoking home visiting policy and originates with dundee city social work. They ask clients in council or private homes not to smoke whilst staff carry out care within the home and if they can stop a hour before hand and ventilate the home prior if possible. There is a step by step process and information to the clients where a smoking issue is raised by staff.
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#12 Posted : 02 October 2006 20:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By Simon Walsh Grad IOSH The legislation which will introduce the smoking ban in England is the Health Act 2006. The Act does not extend to banning smoking in private homes which an employee is working there.
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#13 Posted : 02 October 2006 20:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By Merv Newman I must say that I rather like this idea of warning clients to try not to smoke for an hour before an employee comes to work in their home. It reminds cleints and employees of the dangers of smoking and of passive smoking (which I am not quite sure I believe in) Merv (pipe smoker (2ozs per week)) (and I'm on the patches this week while doing an H&S audit) Now tell me I'm a weak-kneed namby pamby. I'll drink to that.
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#14 Posted : 03 October 2006 00:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ken Taylor Give it up, Merv, while your still young - and I don't mean the drink.
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#15 Posted : 03 October 2006 13:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By Glyn Phillips Sorry people, imeant to say the Health Bill. David, the Health Bill specifically excludes domestic premises that are not workplaces. Therefore the new regulations do not apply to these premises. We have a similar situation, where our employees enter and work in customers workplaces and these work places are not controlled by the Health Bill. As part of the paperwork sent to the customer prior to the visit we request the customer provides a smoke free working environment. In our view this is as much as we can do without witholding our service.
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