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#1 Posted : 22 September 2006 22:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By David Hi all Need help with setting up a worthwhile safety committee. We currently have union base safety Rep’s, who attend a safety committee which has become flat. Only half the workforce are union members. Can we re-advertise for representation from both union and non union members, have them on the same committee and send them on the same training course to get them up to speed and reinvigorate the whole thing. If so can the company suggest a re-ballet to get new member but also to force the existing members to be re-elected?? Any advice appreciated
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#2 Posted : 23 September 2006 09:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Leadbetter David You may find that at least some of the union reps do not want to have non-unionised reps on the same committee. Under the Consultation Regs, do you need to consult the workforce on how you should consult with them? Paul
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#3 Posted : 23 September 2006 12:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By Gilly Margrave Hi David, Don't think you can insist on re-balloting for union Safety Reps - they are, after all, "appointed" by the unions. You might ask yourself why the committee has gone flat and possibly find out which safety campaigns the relevant unions are currently engaged in. Gilly
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#4 Posted : 23 September 2006 17:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Murgatroyd Come-on guys, read between the lines. For: "the safety committee has gone flat, only half the workforce are union...etc...etc" Read: "we want to get rid of the union reps, give us some way to do it" And: "we need the two guys we've picked elected, they're good guys and do what we want"
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#5 Posted : 23 September 2006 20:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Murgatroyd To continue: How long were they "elected" to represent the employees ? It may be time to hold a new "election" So, read on. I particularly like section 5. I always did like a good information party, especially as the employer rarely does. In fact, the V A S T majority HATE these regs, with a passion: 3. Where there are employees who are not represented by safety representatives under the 1977 Regulations, the employer shall consult those employees in good time on matters relating to their health and safety at work and, in particular, with regard to— (a) the introduction of any measure at the workplace which may substantially affect the health and safety of those employees; (b) his arrangements for appointing or, as the case may be, nominating persons in accordance with regulations 6(1) and 7(1)(b) of the Management of Health and Safety at Work Regulations 1992[5]; (c) any health and safety information he is required to provide to those employees by or under the relevant statutory provisions; (d) the planning and organisation of any health and safety training he is required to provide to those employees by or under the relevant statutory provisions; and (e) the health and safety consequences for those employees of the introduction (including the planning thereof) of new technologies into the workplace. Persons to be consulted 4.—(1) The consultation required by regulation 3 is consultation with either— (a) the employees directly; or (b) in respect of any group of employees, one or more persons in that group who were elected, by the employees in that group at the time of the election, to represent that group for the purposes of such consultation (and any such persons are in these Regulations referred to as "representatives of employee safety"). (2) Where an employer consults representatives of employee safety he shall inform the employees represented by those representatives of— (a) the names of those representatives; and (b) the group of employees represented by those representatives. (3) An employer shall not consult a person as a representative of employee safety if— (a) that person has notified the employer that he does not intend to represent the group of employees for the purposes of such consultation; (b) that person has ceased to be employed in the group of employees which he represents; (c) the period for which that person was elected has expired without that person being re-elected; or (d) that person has become incapacitated from carrying out his functions under these regulations; and where pursuant to this paragraph an employer discontinues consultation with that person he shall inform the employees in the group concerned of that fact. (4) Where an employer who has been consulting representatives of employee safety decides to consult employees directly he shall inform the employees and the representatives of that fact. Duty of employer to provide information 5.—(1) Where an employer consults employees directly he shall, subject to paragraph (3), make available to those employees such information, within the employer’s knowledge, as is necessary to enable them to participate fully and effectively in the consultation. (2) Where an employer consults representatives of employee safety he shall, subject to paragraph (3), make available to those representatives such information, within the employer’s knowledge, as is— (a) necessary to enable them to participate fully and effectively in the consultation and in the carrying out of their functions under these Regulations; (b) contained in any record which he is required to keep by regulation 7 of the Reporting of Injuries, Diseases and Dangerous Occurrences Regulations 1995[6] and which relates to the workplace or the group of employees represented by those representatives. (3) Nothing in paragraph (1) or (2) shall require an employer to make available any information— (a) the disclosure of which would be against the interests of national security; (b) which he could not disclose without contravening a prohibition imposed by or under any enactment; (c) relating specifically to an individual, unless he has consented to its being disclosed; (d) the disclosure of which would, for reasons other than its effect on health or safety, cause substantial injury to the employer’s undertaking or, where the information was supplied to him by some other person, to the undertaking of that other person; or (e) obtained by the employer for the purpose of bringing, prosecuting or defending any legal proceedings; or to provide or allow the inspection of any document or part of a document which is not related to health or safety. Functions of representatives of employee safety 6. Where an employer consults representatives of employee safety each of those representatives shall, for the period for which that representative is so consulted, have the following functions— (a) to make representations to the employer on potential hazards and dangerous occurrences at the workplace which affect, or could affect, the group of employees he represents; (b) to make representations to the employer on general matters affecting the health and safety at work of the group of employees he represents and, in particular, on such matters as he is consulted about by the employer under regulation 3; and (c) to represent the group of employees he represents in consultations at the workplace with inspectors appointed under section 19(1) of the 1974 Act.
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#6 Posted : 25 September 2006 08:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By srd As far as I know, and I'm not claiming to be an expert on this: >Can we re-advertise for representation from both union and non union members, have them on the same committee you can certainly have elections to get more non-union reps (representatives of employee safety) on the committee, you don't have any choice about the union safety reps >and send them on the same training course to get them up to speed and reinvigorate the whole thing. Unions usually organise their own training courses via the TUC (I think), but other courses are available for the non-union reps. Stephen.
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#7 Posted : 25 September 2006 10:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Hunter This issue of union appointed safety reps and elected 'Representatives of employee safety' attending the same consultation forum is a thorny one. The problem can be acute where the employer has entered into collective agreements on other issues such as bargaining rights, etc. I have experience of union reps refusing to sit at the same table as non-union reps. The reasonable explanation is that (a) the employer has a legal duty to consult (includes those not represented by unions), and (b) that the Consultation Forum is the employer's forum, not the TU's, and (c) all representatives are invited & encouraged to attend in the interests of those they represent. All very well, but people still go off in a huff! Has ANYONE solved this thorny issue out there?
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#8 Posted : 25 September 2006 15:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tony Brunskill There is no problem with providing a forum for both "Union" and "Non Union" representatives. The duty is to consult, not to consult in isolation. The composition of the Committee should be balanced but does not exclude non Union members. Interestingly there is no duty on the Representatives where elected by a Trades Union so they remain in office unless they meet one of the prescribed criteria. Training must meet the requirements of the regulations but may be provided by any training provider as long as the representational aspect of the course is provided for. This can be provided as a part of the course or as a separate element. See White v Pressed Steel Fisher[1980] IRLR 176. The argument that an elected representative can only consult on the members he/she represents does not stand. Representatives can be and often are elected to represent a “group” of employees within the workplace(s). If the argument were to stand then each representative would need to be consulted individually and there would be no committee. Despite the sarcasm on this post my guess is that the employer is forward thinking and proactive if they are looking to reinvigorate the process. The fact that they recognise a Trades Union in the first place is a matter of choice for the employer. You will probably find that if your Unions are effectively representing the views of the employees then they will agree with the need for vigour and support the initiative. While there may not be a duty on representatives under the regulations there is a duty on all employees under s 7(b) of the Act.
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