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#1 Posted : 02 October 2006 18:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By Raymond Rapp Assuming the Client is also the Planning Supervisor, who has the final say on the contents of the Construction Phase Health & Safety Plan? Regards Ray
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#2 Posted : 02 October 2006 19:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By Catman Hi Raymond No change from the norm as far as I can see. The PC develops the Construction phase plan and the PS/Client in this case should decide when it is sufficiently developed. If the client does not have the competence to do this, then he is not competent to be the PS. Cheers TW
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#3 Posted : 02 October 2006 22:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By Raymond Rapp TW Many thanks and as I suspected. Ray
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#4 Posted : 03 October 2006 10:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis RR So the final say is that of the PC - He is in charge of safety on site! The proposed revised regulations do not change this. Bob
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#5 Posted : 03 October 2006 22:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By Raymond Rapp Thanks Bob. However, this does appear to conflict with the previous posting. Anyone else care to give their opinion, you will not get shot down in flames, I promise. Ray
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#6 Posted : 04 October 2006 08:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ian G Hutchings Ray When I was in an organisation that acted as client and PS we would give the final approval of the content of the construction phase health and safety plan. This was really just to satisfy ourselves that the plan was specific for the job and not just a churned out and not fully relevant generic document. However it was obviously still the PCs responsibility to manage safety on the project. When we did site visits and audits we then referred back to the plan and audited against the controls that had been specified. The requirements and the aspects of the plan were built into the contractual terms and conditions with the PC. Regards Ian
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#7 Posted : 05 October 2006 08:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By DJ Bob, That is not the case until the Construction Phase has started. Under Reg. 10 it is the Client's duty to ensure that a suitable and sufficient H & S Plan has been prepared before it allows construction to begin. Once the Construction Phase has started then it is down to the PC. Regards. DJ
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#8 Posted : 05 October 2006 09:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis The question concerned the construction phase plan. The duty on the part of the client is to ensure it is adequate to commence construction. It is not to ensure the plan is complete in terms of the whole project period. Once construction commences it is fully down to the PC. The brighter note in the new regulations is that the formal statement for pre-tender is about an information pack - not a pre-tender plan. This is an option that is actually in the current regs but is rarely followed except where a single organisation is undertaking a variety of roles, particularly on design build projects. Bob
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#9 Posted : 05 October 2006 10:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By DJ Bob, I couldn't agree more. In future the statutory battle is likely to be about whether the Client can show that it provided sufficient information to the other parties (i.e. PS, PC and designers) and then there could be a contractual/negligence battle about the advice and service provided by designers and the PS/co-ordinator. Regards. DJ
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#10 Posted : 08 October 2006 22:28:00(UTC)
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Posted By Raymond Rapp Once again, thanks to those who have contributed. Some responses are a little confusing, but it my understanding the Client 'approves' the h&s plan in the first instance. I was of course referring to the current CD Regs. Ray
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