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Posted By artisdeeian
Hi Guys.
Just a thought. I am reviewing the company policy and will make the necessary ammendments under the review process.
How many of you have included seperate 'Fire, 'Stress' 'Lone working' policies to the main company policy.
Regards Ian.
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Posted By sagalout
Ian,
I would call our stuff on these areas working procedures or practices rather than policies. In other words they fit down a tier or two from the top level policy statement alongside working practice for things as established as noise, substances etc. The intro to each procedure outlines the why we need it, that we recognise duty and this is how we do meet it.
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Posted By Jim Walker
I'm with saga.
Policy is a few paragraphs
Rest of your system supports it
I can't see how you can have a (for instance) DSE policy - you have a procedure
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Posted By DJ
Jim,
Legally an organisation has to have a 'policy'on e.g. managing DSE. However I agree with you and Saga that a single policy (which includes DSE), supported by procedures, etc. is the way to do it.
Regards.
DJ
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Posted By artisdeeian
Hi Guys.
Thanks for the response. It's just that when I look for information on the HSE site and read the 'Case studies' they sometimes mention about seperate policies such as: 'Was there a stress policy in place' or a 'Fire' policy. I do understand what you are saying, it's just that I can actually see this coming. Not intergrated in the company policy but as a seperate issue. What's your thoughts.
Regards Ian.
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Posted By Philby'
Ian,
procedures are often referred to as supporting or supplementary policies...at least they were when I did my diploma...but I think, as indicated by other posters, that it is largely academic
Philby'
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Posted By anon1234
similar to previous posting.
We have a headline health and safety policy with supporting organisation and arrangements in terms of the structure.
We then have second tier policy and procedure documents for specific issues e.g. DSE, electrical safety, risk assessment, etc.
The policy bit of these second tier documents is usally only about a paragraph long adn essentially makes compliance with the arrangements in the document mandatory
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Posted By sagalout
Ian,
"A guiding principle designed to influence decisions, actions, etc. Typically, a policy designates a required process or procedure within an organization."
So you already have an overall policy about h&s which is the usual one that everyone recognises as "the safety policy".
From that will arise a need to have sub-series policy statements to clarify exactly what principles you have agreed to meet the specific needs of for example stress management.
You can put these anywhere you like. The experience I referred to earlier was that they are better at the start of the sections that deal with the organisation and arrangements for that area of activity.They are then implanted with the activity controls and do not become detached and remote from users.
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Posted By artisdeeian
Hi Guys.
Understand what your saying.
Thanks for your response.
Ian.
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Posted By J Knight
Hmm,
What we do is have an overarching H&S Policy in three parts (as per HSG65) and then a series of policies on certain issues. Policy is brief, usually one or two 12 point A4 pages, and states i) what is to be achieved, ii) the legal or regulatory basis for achieving it iii) any special resources (such as people) which might be needed and iv) what the summary resposnibilities of the people involved are. This is then supplemented by guidance,
John
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Posted By DJ
The only risk where you have more than one "policy" (whether or not one is subordinate to the other) is that one may contradict the other, or at least the two may not be marry up. What then?
Regards.
DJ
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Posted By J Knight
Hi DJ,
Agree, that could be a problem, and its part of the reason why I keep subordinate policies to a minimum; for example the 'stress' policy talked about above would in my view be guidance written in accordance with a general RA policy. Another way to reduce the risk of contradiction is to keep secondary policy closely to the matter in question, and to write it in accordance with required ACOPS etc,
John
PS No spelling errors found, must be a first!
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Posted By sagalout
DJ,
quite rare I would think especially if you keep it all as simple or perhaps I should say "sensible" these days.
I had a chairman who refused to sign any policy document that was longer than an A4 sheet and he didn't really like too much of that page to be covered. As an example from memory.
"The company recognises its duty under DSE Regs blah blah and will ensure that: proper kit supplied; proper design of workplace; adeqaute training provided; regular audit; no change to layout without assessment. The following approved practices (or paragraphs for simple stuff) identify who is responsible for achieving this and how they shall acheive it."
Risk of conflict with a similarly simply worded general policy?
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Posted By Lilian McCartney
I've worked with two formats.
The first being an overall safety policy with everything I could think of mentioned and then guidance which we called Approved Guidelines (to try to relate to Acop's) which also had procedures e.g claiming eyesight tests (when they were paid for).
The other format is a safety manual with a general safety policy stating that each subject will have its own policy. The sections of the manual are subject specific and they have a 'mini' policy which only contains the information relevant to that e.g. Hazardous substances has COSHH regs bit, a procedures part and an information part. Each part is on a different colour paper with the intention that people can find quickly what they want. There are also quick guide flowcharts in some of the sections.
The second format is where I work just now and it was the format that most Managers and employees thought they would find easier to use.
Should add there's a 'Responsibilities' Section which has a brief table of what the main responsibilities for each section are (one each for managers and employees)
Sounds bulky and I'll soon know if they use the new manual or not (it's just new)
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Posted By Ron Hunter
I agree that seperate policy Statements on specific issues can add value to the management system. I would use these seperate policy statements to set out briefly the Organisation's standards and goals for specific issues only where the issue cannot be considered to be expressed in the general statement.In the context of goal setting legislation and good/best/industry practice, it can be advatageous to clearly express policy on issues such as asbestos management, stress,transport, HAVs, etc.
DSE is not an area where I would suggest a need for seperate policy.
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