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Posted By Kevin Fitzgerald
Hi,
I wonder does anyone have any information on the hazards and controls of using a <1% solution of HF.
I understand that a less than 1% solution is classified as an irritant rather than toxic but have no further information.
I know HF concentrated e.g. >20% is a nasty and controls such as calcium gluconate gel is required. Should I treat a <1% solution the same way?
Thanks in advance.
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Posted By Jeffrey Watt
Kevin
Not an answer but worthwhile reading into the effects of HFl at different concentrations, including severe ocular damage at concentrations over 0.5%
http://ehs.unc.edu/pdf/H...20hydrofluoric%20acid%22
Depending on your process and vessel integrity or housekeeping you may get areas of leaks etc that can evaporatively become more concentrated e.g. solid crystals forming around spill zones.
HFl is used in the semi industry to etch silica when making chips or read/write heads for hard drives. Someone with more day to day practical experience with it could maybe help.
Kind regards
Jeff
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Posted By Ali
Apart from specialised PPE / gloves are there any indirect ways it can be handled if there is cause for concern ?
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Posted By ddraigice
I've no idea about this but I recall a story that my A level chemistry teacher told of when he was a safety officer for ICI (he was fantastic - we didn't learn much chemistry but his stories were great. He also looked like the flute playing guy in Jethro Tull).
Very low concentrations were used by some company or other to etch glassware. The operators used to dunk the glass under the solution wearing rubber gloves and it was only at then end of a shift where one operator realised her glove had a tiny hole in the finger. And she only noticed that when her finger fell out of the glove.
Nasty stuff.
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Posted By Descarte
Used to use anhydrous hydrofluoric acid at the refinery I used to work at in one of the plants. VERY nasty stuff, can dissolve your bones from the inside and only apparent hours if not days after exposure.
Inhalation effects are just as nasty resulting in chemicalpneumonia
Check the MSDS sheet you can request or have been supplied with. Check the controls you have in place, wnsure PPE is suitable, check gloves by positive pressure inflation underwater for pin prick holes. Look at the various gels and creams which can/need to be applied immediately after contact if you want to keep your limbs
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Posted By Ron Hunter
I've come across this sort of concentration in the form of "deletion pens" used in the printing industry. No particular issues other than use of gloves, overalls and an awareness on the part of employees on the irritant nature of the product, not to put these pens in their pockets, or lick the end whilst contemplating filling in their football pools in the mistaken belief they had an ordinary pen in their hand! The employer installed handy little pen-holders on the print machines in order to avoid confusion.
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Posted By John Murgatroyd
The skull and crossbones means what it says !
Even at less than 1% any untreated exposure can be fatal.
"Hydrofluoric acid (HF) differs from other acids because the fluoride ion readily penetrates the skin, causing destruction of deep tissue layers, including bone. Pain associated with exposure to solutions of HF (1-50%) may be delayed for 1-24 hours. If HF is not rapidly neutralized and the fluoride ion bound, tissue destruction may continue for days and result in limb loss or death. HF is similar to other acids in that the initial extent of a burn depends on the concentration, the temperature, and the duration of contact with the acid"
http://physchem.ox.ac.uk...Y/hydrofluoric_acid.html
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Posted By Jane Blunt
You can download the medical handbook from one of the major manufacturers of HF at this address:
http://www.honeywell.com...tes/sm/chemicals/hfacid/
At less than 1% the inhalation risk is negligible. The chemistry teacher who told the finger story was indulging in a bit of artistic licence - you don't suffer this kind of injury without it hurting. In fact HF burns are noted for being extremely painful, but the snag is that the pain may not appear for several hours.
Nevertheless there have been cases of fatality from neglected pinholes in gloves.
You should avoid all contact with HF as it is a very nasty systemic poison. I am not aware of any concentration limits below which calcium gluconate is not needed, so I would play it safe and have the stuff available.
Jane
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Posted By David Bannister
I seem to recall that the Pickling Paste still used in some engineering works contains HFl.
Is the advice to have sodium gluconate readily available applicable here too?
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Posted By Hilary Charlton
You can buy a hydrofluoric acid neutralising gel from most first aid stockists - we keep it permanently on site as we sometimes repair our product which may come back with traces of HF in it - it costs about £12 for a tube which is a minor expense. We also have gloves, chemical suits, full face visors and all other PPE. You cannot take a chance with this product - it's very nasty.
Hilary
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Posted By Grahame Dunbar
We use a software package for calculating the health/environmental classification of chemicals (SDS Professional). It says the following:
1.0% HF is Toxic and Corrosive
Risk phrases R23/24/25 R34 R37
0.99% HF is Harmful (and Irritant)
Risk phrases R20/21/22 R36/37/38
Hope this helps
GD
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Posted By Merv Newman
I used to be an analytical chemist. Hydrochloric, Nitric, Sulphuric acid didn't bother me much. HF terrified me.
This was in the days before gloves and safety glasses were invented.
Merv
Hey ! I've just noticed the pelling checker.
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Posted By John Lewis
HF is the only acid that eats glass. We used it for etching. HF at low concentrations does not burn initially so if your process allows, mix it with another acid that does, that way you know if you have contacted the stuff.
Teach your people about the material. Make them aware of just how dangerous it is.
Keep a sink of bright red dye handy. Your operatives can wear plain white cotton gloves under their protective ones and put their hands in the dye for a few minutes. If the cotton glove goes red then the glove leaks; ditch it.
Your local hospital will appreciate it if you have an "HF" first aid box to accompany any person exposed to the stuff. It helps them take the right action early on.
First Aiders need to be aware of the stuff too. The last thing you want is cross contamination to the first aider as well.
Finally, when we took our first delivery of 2tonnes me and a colleague cleared the area and taped it off. Then, from a distance we monitored the area while the techies dressed in chemical suits, carried out the task. Suddenly as if from nowhere a Japanese "engineer" appeared, opened the top of the storage tank and stuck his head in to make sure the acid was flowing!!!!!!!!!! Truly amazing. He was sent back to Japan the following week.
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