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Posted By RP
I have been asked to assist with providing a risk assessment for the local football club changing facility. Here are the brief details as known.
1. Owned by the Local Authority.
2. Provided 23 years ago as a temporary changing facility and serves ages 6 to adult, both male and female.
3. It is a porta-cabin type building with a shower, toilet, one changing room and referees changing room. There is also a small cupboard for storage.
4. Condition is very dilapidated with several known faults on electrics and plumbing.
The aim is obviously to get a new facility built.
So, what are the Hazards/Risks which should be concentrated upon for this? and what reference would exist to support the assessment.
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Posted By Steve B
RP,
At the risk of sounding insulting, and please don't take it that way. But if you are asking such basic questions with regards associated Risks and Hazards are you the right person to assist them? Or should you be telling them that this area is not in your area of expertise and pass it on to someone else.... P.S. I am not an expert in this area either, but I have in the past been asked to assist in areas outside my expertise and refused.
Just a thought please do not take offense
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Posted By sagalout
RP,
if the aim is to get a new facility built, why are you using risk assessment?
I suggest you would be better advised to raise a capital project plan which will outline the condition of the existing building, cost of refurbishment compared to replacement etc. That way the club has discussions about the proposed project rather than the outcome of any risk assessment.
Stuff like building regs would, therefore, appear more relevant. You can include the things you have already identified such as electrics not to IEE standards.
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Posted By David Bannister
Saga has offered good advice. I suspect you may be being manouvered in to using 'elf & safety as the tool to condemn the existing facility. Whilst there are likely to be electrical/biological/premises hazards in place, does it do our profession harm to be used in this way?
Apologies if I've misunderstood.
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Posted By The toecap
I would asses the fire risk from the electric problems and look at any hygene issues that may arise. I bet the ref's room is also used for storeage. Get this assesed as a tripping hazard. etc. Look at the amount of lighting also. Look at the possibility of future arson attacks. I assume this is the type of answer your expecting and nothing as complicated as other answers. Best of luck
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Posted By sagalout
Toecap
Quote from the posting
"The aim is obviously to get a new facility built."
I could control the risks you identify without having to build a new facility. If you did not pick that out of my post, I apologise for being too complicated and hope this clarifies the matter.
Sagalout
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Posted By SeanThompson
Come on, this guy is just asking for some advice. This is the idea of the forum is it not? No wonder the H&S profession is becoming a joke, sometimes things are taken out of the context it is intended.
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Posted By Ron Hunter
RP, with all due respect, if these premises are owned by a local authority, then they have not only the resources but a duty to maintain it in a safe state of repair. They will also have the resources to undertake or commission any condition survey required to ascertain any works required. This in turn will inform whether refurbishment is cost effective compared to new build.
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Posted By RP
Thank you for the advice given and I was not asking for some posters to question my competence on this, but more looking to the references and experience of others. So I will ignore SteveB and thank others for assistance because that is what we use this forum for, eh...
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Posted By RP
My word, The FA has decided to think again about risk assessment in H & S context. This is not what they wanted, but more as posted a condition survey. Sadly the authority is not interested in this and avoids the issues by saying 'there is no money or resources available.
Life is so much easier when people talk the same language...
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Posted By atheobald
evening all...
I think i would be questioning the following:
- if its 23 years old, what materials is it made of? Deterioriation, Damp, Condition, Chemical Reactions going on?
- if it was only ever meant to be temporary then the type of portacabin would not surely be now fit for purpose?
- fire.... risks here... if its a changing facility - how many people are using it when its being used at peak times??? is it appropriate ? How many people should be in?
- Security... how secure is it? What if a person is in it alone....???
(Just a few thoughts)
finally,
I think i would ring a company like Portakabin and ask them what they think the risks are.... they may well be able to present to you details we've not considered.
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Posted By Saracen11
Hi RP, if the condition of the cabin is as you describe; dodgy electrics (rather than the dodgy plumbing - but still a consideration)... then don't allow it to be used!
If it is as bad as you say, a HSE Inspector would prohibit the use of it due to the imminent safety risk to members of the public i.e. potential electric shock/electrocution - what are you waiting for?
If it is unsuitable, contact the LA (Sports and Recreation) and identify your concerns, and find alternative changing facilities whilst they have numerous meetings to decide they can't afford to replace it!
Regards
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Posted By Steve B
RP, I am sorry you chose to take offence with my posting. I was not doubting your competency in your own area of expertise, from your posting you said
"So, what are the Hazards/Risks which should be concentrated upon for this? and what reference would exist to support the assessment".
In my own area of expertise I would know the risks/hazards etc and was just suggesting, just maybe it was not your area and therefore to pass it on to someone with the expertise in that area.
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It was an observation and apologies if you decided to take it personally. I can assure you it was not intended in that way.
Regards
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Posted By RP
OK Steve, noted.
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