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#1 Posted : 06 October 2006 12:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By MICK MEAD, CMIOSH Please could anyone tell me if fixed gas heaters in a factory need to be examined and maintained by CORGI qualified persons, and at what frequency would examination be required? I seem to recall CORGI certification applied to domestic premises (can this really be true??) Thanks, Mick
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#2 Posted : 06 October 2006 13:10:00(UTC)
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Posted By gham yes they do need to be corgi or have membership of an HSE approved class of persons (under GSIUR 98 regulation 3(3))registered and inspection as often as is necesary (E.G. once a year if only use in the winter as a suggestion)and in accordance with the manufacturers instructions the Gas Safety (Installation and Use) Regulations 1998 and L56 cover domestic and commercial installations G' I do hope i've not been suckered into one of those troll type posts
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#3 Posted : 06 October 2006 13:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By gham oh and make sure you see their cards and check them with corgi there are cowboys out there
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#4 Posted : 06 October 2006 13:36:00(UTC)
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Posted By MICK MEAD, CMIOSH No, its a genuine question for sure - thanks for the input folks. Mick
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#5 Posted : 06 October 2006 13:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By lewes Also, you want to make sure that they are competent to undertake commercial gas works. A domestic CORGI engineer can touch upto 28mm gas pipework and the appliances he is certified to. A commercial gas engineer is similar but can only undertake work over 28mm. Some will have both but not everyone so dont assume someone who advertises as being CORGI registered can help you. It doesnt matter if the dwelling is private or a commercial property it is the size of the gas pipework that defines the Dom/Comm status. Use the search facility on the CORGI website to locate a suitable installer close to you. http://www.corgi-gas-safety.com/ Hope this helps
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#6 Posted : 07 October 2006 14:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By peter gotch 1 Hi Mick. But the Regs to which gham refers have exemptions, which highlight that your original question was not trollish !!..... (4) Save for regulations 37, 38 and 41 and subject to regulation 3(8), these Regulations shall not apply in relation to the supply of gas to, or anything done in respect of a gas fitting at, the following premises, that is to say - (a) a mine or quarry within the meaning of the Mines and Quarries Act 1954[3] or any place deemed to form part of a mine or quarry for the purposes of that Act; (b) a factory within the meaning of the Factories Act 1961[4] or any place to which any provisions of the said Act apply by virtue of sections 123 to 126 of that Act; (c) agricultural premises, being agricultural land, including land being or forming part of a market garden, and any building thereon which is used in connection with agricultural operations; (d) temporary installations used in connection with any construction work within the meaning assigned to that phrase by regulation 2(1) of the Construction (Design and Management) Regulations 1994[5]; (e) premises used for the testing of gas fittings; or (f) premises used for the treatment of sewage, but they shall apply in relation to such premises or part thereof used for domestic or residential purposes or as sleeping accommodation. The Regs are on the OPSI website. Regards, Peter
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#7 Posted : 16 October 2006 15:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By JB I've just picked up this thread as we are reviewing our statutory testing and thorough examinations for the whole range of plant and equipment on site. We have large print units, with gas fired ovens which are installed and maintained by the manufacturers. Am I right in understanding that the GSI&U Regs cover this type of installation and that periodic inspections and testing must be carried out by a suitably qualified CORGI registered person? Any advice would be much appreciated. JB
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#8 Posted : 16 October 2006 15:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By lewes A lot of it will depend on who carrys out the maintenance. If it is an in-house engineer I think you maybe able to use a COMPETENT engineer as they will be familiar with the working environment, flues, ventikation etc If you use an external person then yes they will need to be CORGI. However it may be best to clarify the matter with CORGI. I spoke them a few weeks back with regards to our engineers undertaking work LPG and NG vehicles. They came back and advised that they must be competent but do not have to be CORGI as it fell within the scope of the Factories act. I would however try and speak with corgi
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#9 Posted : 16 October 2006 18:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Murgatroyd The Law About your Gas Installer People who do not work directly on gas installations or appliances, but who work in areas where there are implications for gas safety - such as architects, builders and local authorities working with flues and venting - have a general duty of care under civil law. They should refer to the appropriate regulations covering their work. The Gas Safety (Installation and Use) Regulations 1998 place specific duties on gas users, installers, suppliers and landlords. For example: Anyone carrying out work on gas appliances or fittings as part of their business must be competent and registered with CORGI. Only a competent person can carry out work on gas appliances or fittings. Do-it-yourself work on gas appliances or fittings could be dangerous and is likely to be illegal. Do not use any gas appliance or fittings you know or suspect to be unsafe. Through CORGI, the Health & Safety Executive has asked all registered installers to disconnect any gas appliance or fittings that are so dangerous as to be a threat to life if they are used. Landlords are responsible for making sure that gas fittings and flues are maintained in good order, and gas appliances that they own in their residential premises, and flues, are checked for safety every 12 months. They must also keep a record of the safety checks for at least two years and issue it to existing tenants and any new tenants before they move in. Tenants are responsible for the maintenance and safety of appliances they own. The regulations place a number of restrictions on gas appliances installed in bathrooms, shower rooms and bedrooms which are detailed and prescriptive. It is illegal to install instantaneous water heaters, which are not room sealed or fitted with a safety device that automatically turns the gas supply off before a dangerous level of poisonous fumes builds up. For further information please call the Health and Safety Executive Gas Safety advice line on 0800 300 363 (or 0800 032 0121 in Northern Ireland).
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