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Posted By Brenda H
Hi there,
I am devising a new risk assessment form and and considering the benefits of risk scoring a hazard before control measures are put in place.
So on the form you would have a score before control measures and after.
How many of you use forms like this or do you just score after considering what control measures are in place?
Thanks B
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Posted By Chris Packham
Brenda
When doing a risk assessment for skin exposure (my particular field of activity) we have developed a structured approach that gives us a "risk rating" for the activity as observed. If our rating indicates that action is needed this is then taken and the risk assessment repeated to ensure that the risk is now within acceptable limits. (Note that for skin exposure it is almost impossible to obtain zero risk for the majority of commonly used chemicals.)
We may have to repeat this several times until we get to where we feel we need to be.
Hope this is of some help.
Chris
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Posted By Brenda H
Yes that's useful, however, if you consider the level of risk of the hazard before you score, do you think it helps you put in perspective the true score, once controls are in place?
If that makes sense!
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Posted By Darren J Fraser
Brenda
What you have described is a management tool typically used within Quality, and is known as a Failure Mode Effect Analysis (FMEA). There are plenty of examples available on the web.
The benefit of using this type of tool is that it allows all those concerned to see the before and after on the same page, without having to look at various different forms and trying to cross index everything.
The other point is that this shows an improvement within your own management system.
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Posted By Brenda H
Hi Darren, yes i'm a little familiar with FMEA's.
Just wondering of the generaly advantages in day to day general risk assessment or whether that technique should be reserved for more high risk environments
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Posted By Chris Packham
Brenda
I am a little confused about the "level of risk of hazard before I score".
I use the scoring system to identify the "level" of the risk, i.e. to determine whether there is a significant risk, how urgent is the need to take action, or whether the risk is so insignificant that I do not need to bother. So until I have completed my risk assessement I don't know what the level of risk is. It's the "score" that tells me that.
I hope that this rather rambling statement makes some sense!
Chris
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Posted By Ron Hunter
My own view is that recording a risk score on the basis of 'no controls in place' is of no value and merely clutters up the form. Unless of course there really are no controls in place!
Similarly, I do not advocate recording 'risk effect' as this should be readily apparent from identification of the hazard?
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Posted By Chris Packham
Perhaps I wasn't clear.
My risk assessment (usualy done for a client) is based on what I find at the time, i.e. would include any controls that might already be in place. After all, this is what my client wants from me - Is there a risk and is it something I need to take action on? If so, how urgent is the action?
Once additional controls have been put into place, then a new risk assessment, including these new controls, indicates whether these are adequate of whether more is needed. We keep on going until the risk assessment shows an acceptable risk.
Chris
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Posted By anon1234
The advantage of giving an indicative risk level without the existing controls is that it clearly identifies the benefit of the existing controls - the key output for those at the sharp end is to spell out what controls should be in place and why
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Posted By Granny
I have seen both risk assessment type forms and agree that including a "without controls" evaluation can clutter the form.
However organisations that insist on using it have explained to me that it's the only way to demonstrate you have identified "significant" risks on your records and then taken action to reduce the risk.
Possibly a backside covering exercise?
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