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#1 Posted : 17 October 2006 12:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By Manny Is there a method of informing the web master (complaint form) when people are being abusive on Forums? This can be found on other forums and may be a good idea. Perhaps someone needs to look at some of the (very) recent threads. I personally don't know Peter well enough to call him an idiot. Colin
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#2 Posted : 17 October 2006 12:40:00(UTC)
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Posted By NeilM Poyznts-Powell Hi Manny, There are "accepatable use guidelines" which mention the use of moderators. I supose any complaint should go through them. Regards, Neil
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#3 Posted : 17 October 2006 12:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By sagalout Manny, I think we are asked to send an e-mail to the webteam@iosh.co.uk for such concerns. I have posted a note to the end of the thread asking for the moderator to review it and also sent an e-mail late last night about these recent threads. Also I think your suggestions re the layout of the webpage are best directed there as well. I share your view on layouts and know that the webteam do consider all review all such requests
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#4 Posted : 17 October 2006 12:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By Neal Clark Hi Manny, Thanks for the message. A 'report abuse' feature has actually been previously suggested, and was presented at the last meeting of the forum moderators. See thread: http://www.iosh.co.uk/in...iew&forum=1&thread=22894 We will be looking into this further in due course, but until then please email any concerns to webteam@iosh.co.uk and we will pass them on to the moderating team. Also, if you or any other forum user would like to suggest other ways of improving our website please drop us a line. Thanks again, Neal Clark, Web Co-ordinator.
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#5 Posted : 17 October 2006 14:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By Peter Leese We're all grown up aren't we?
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#6 Posted : 17 October 2006 14:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By Manny .
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#7 Posted : 17 October 2006 14:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By Manny Sorry Peter for getting involved I'm sure you can stick up for yourself. I still think there should be a method for complaints. Regards Manny
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#8 Posted : 17 October 2006 16:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By FiNgAz Don't you think some people take things too far?? On any forum you will get a difference of opinion and sometimes it may get heated, but there is no need to spit your dummy out the pram and cry to moderators at every single whim! Try taking a breath and take things in your stride. Things don't always go your way. A lot of people take me the wrong way because i speek my mind please or offend. If every one spoke their mind instead of hiding how they really feel the world would be rid of 2 faced back stabbing people! AND THAT IS NOT A POKE AT ANYONE IN PARTICULAR Just my view
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#9 Posted : 17 October 2006 16:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By J Knight Hi FiNgAz, Problem is this isn't 'any forum'; its a professional forum which is also a bit of a window on the world for us and for IOSH. When I first came across this forum in 1996 it was a very different animal, it was poorly moderated (or possibly not even moderated at all) and the level of advice given was far below today's standard. So for better or worse, we should at least try and be a bit professional, at least on here; we can trade insults privately, but its not good to do it in public, John
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#10 Posted : 17 October 2006 16:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By Brett Day I'm inclined to agree with J Knight, this is a 'professional' forum and whilst disagreement can be heated it should also remain on a 'professional' level there have been instances of personal comments made and attacks on the standard of posters spelling (bearing in mind that the poster may have dyslexia or may not speak english as thier main language). So there is going to be a higher level/standard of moderation. Whilst I may not agree with all decisions, the standard of moderation is a lot better than some other forums I post on.
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#11 Posted : 17 October 2006 18:24:00(UTC)
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Posted By Martyn Hendrie The last two responses have indicated that this is a "professional forum". Without wishing to upset any non IOSH members who take part in the forum that statement is not strictly correct. This is an open forum that happens to be located on the IOSH web site. Those who contribute do not have to be members of the institution and there is no marker to indicate a contributors status (member/non member). Other that the webmaster/ moderators, etc there is no way of knowing whether those whose contributions are less than professional are members or not. That may be what is required in our charter (i.e. open access) and many non members may make a valuable contribution, but perhaps there should be a clear disclaimer indicating that the views expressed are not necessarily those of IOSH or its members.
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#12 Posted : 17 October 2006 18:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ashley Wood I think that all subscribers should use there own names rather than hiding behind initials, nicknames etc. If you use your name then you have to respond in a professional way otherwise your name becomes tarnished and ultimately you get a bad name on forums and in the industry in which you work!
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#13 Posted : 17 October 2006 19:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mark Ellis Could not agree more with Ashley Wood.
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#14 Posted : 17 October 2006 19:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By sagalout Re the last two posts. I can see why you might think that there is something underhand or secretive about not using a given name. It is however a long standing and historical means to allow a person to contribute to a public forum that might otherwise not be available to them. It pre-dates the electronic age by some considerable time and is as valid today as it has ever been. Please remember that no-one who posts is anonymous since IOSH have adequate personal details that can be used to follow up any concerns that other posters may have. If I were a follower of the conspiracy theory, and I am not, I might also mention that just because a name fits a recognised format does not mean it is a true given name, how would you know? I prefer to be open and honest about my choice not to use my given name on this forum. All I ask is a little mutual respect please.
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#15 Posted : 17 October 2006 21:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By NeilM Poyznts-Powell Members of IOSH or not people have a right to expect their view to be replied to in a "professional" manner. All workers are hopefully professional in their field. It is possible to express a difference in opinion or disdain in a direct way without lowering ones self to petty name calling or abusiveness. The general rule 'treat others the way you would to expect be treated' is my personal guide. With regards to this forum the most direct put down I received was framed in such a way that it was not taken as a insult. It did, however, put me in my current professional direction (Thanks, Fats). Finally, there is in this world too much none constructive criticism. We should remember that those of us that do count ourselves as Risk Management professionals may be interacting with those outside our field on this forum and therefore should inform and not deride the views of those who may be outside our field. Our profession needs to win friends and allies not enemies.
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#16 Posted : 17 October 2006 21:42:00(UTC)
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Posted By Pugwash Sagalout posts: "Please remember that no-one who posts is anonymous since IOSH have adequate personal details that can be used to follow up any concerns that other posters may have." ___________________________________________ Not true in this forum - IOSH have no info on Pugwash (at least I hope not!!). The members forums are the places where everyone is compelled to lodge their real names with IOSH and prove that they are members before being let through the door. Here anyone gets in. The big attraction of this public forum for me (and I sense for many others) is the ability to say things which cannot be attributed to the real me. (Compare the number of post here with those in the members forums.) We can ask those posting to generally behave but this must be backed up by firm moderation. You do not have to be a member to post here but the site is very closely associated with IOSH. IOSH cannot control what is posted here but, through the moderators, it can control what is allowed to remain. It is not so much the posts but the standards of moderation which reflect on IOSH. The job of moderation is a difficult one and the moderators are not going to please all of the people etc etc. I feel that the moderators have a difficult job but do it well. When they do remove posts or lock threads some tolerance is required from those who might disagree with their decisions. This has not always been forthcoming. For the good of the profession I would prefer that the moderators always erred on the side of caution. I would rather see posts about which they have doubts being deleted than be left in place and perhaps then giving a poor impression to others.
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#17 Posted : 17 October 2006 22:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By sagalout Pugwash, many thanks for correcting my comment. I should have phrased my response more clearly. I was thinking of the e-mail address link which on reflection is as "open" as the forum. Sagalout
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#18 Posted : 18 October 2006 00:31:00(UTC)
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Posted By FiNgAz Well beside the name people use on the forum. I don't see how this could have an affect on anything myself or anyone else has to say. We all use a name of some sort weather it be our given name or not. I would bet you have more nick names/ fake names (what ever you wish to call them) on here than you probably expect. Yes this is a professional forum and very good it is too. The information you can get on here is very helpful and appreciated. I have to take h&s into account in my job and sometimes seek information from work colleagues or management. It is nice to be able to go somewhere different to seek advice about h&s appart from work.
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#19 Posted : 18 October 2006 07:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By Manny Once again I log on this morning to see the use of foul language on the forum. Can the moderators please remind those in question of the AUG and then give them a second yellow.
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#20 Posted : 18 October 2006 07:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By Peter Leese Foul language? What industry do you work in Manny? You seem to be on a crusade, but you need to recognise most of us don't need protecting, we can manage fine by ourselves.
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#21 Posted : 18 October 2006 08:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By Manny Peter, I listen to people swearing all day I just don't need to see it on this forum. I think this forum should concentrate on health and safety matters, with the odd bit of humour thrown in.
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#22 Posted : 18 October 2006 09:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By Peter Leese You'll like the potholing thread then.
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#23 Posted : 18 October 2006 13:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By Sima Patel Hi everyone, Thanks very much for all your comments on this thread so far. The IOSH discussion forums are intended to be a pleasant, professional and enjoyable place for all forum users – both members and non-members of IOSH alike. Our moderating team do ask that all users remain polite and courteous to one another at all times, and refrain from using language which may cause offence to others. If you’re concerned about the contents of any message you see on our forums, please email the details to webteam@iosh.co.uk and we will pass that information onto the moderating team. Thanks very much on behalf of the Moderating Team, Sima Patel, Web Assistant
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#24 Posted : 19 October 2006 00:43:00(UTC)
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Posted By ian (fingaz) Oh dear!
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