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#1 Posted : 20 October 2006 14:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By BS I currently spend a lot of time on the road with work travelling round Britain(approximately 15 nights a month). Would anyone consider this as requiring a risk assessment? I have been asked the question my self and did wonder if it was all going a bit too far. However I would appreciate anyone's comments or opinions.
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#2 Posted : 20 October 2006 15:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By jeffrey david smith Good question. Your question also raises other questions. Do you travel during the night AFTER you have spent a full day at work? Does your workplace sanction you to travel at these hours? Are you travelling just to save the cost of going to a hotel for the night? What recompense do you get from travelling these hours? Do these hours added to your day already done fall inside/outside the EU working time directive/travelling time directives? I would say 'yes' to the risk assessment. Hope this helps Jeff
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#3 Posted : 20 October 2006 15:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By Merv Newman Yes. I'm in about the same position as you. Averaging about 30 000 miles and 150 to 200 hotel nights per year. On the road and staying in a strange hotel are the most dangerous parts of our jobs. Even a building site is safer than the A1 For the car, go through the Institute of Advanced Motoring ie learn to be road-wise and defensive. You don't need to do a RA before each trip but you do need to be aware of the level of risk. I try to stick to motorways even if it means a few extra miles. They are much safer (not "safe") and there is less chance of someone driving at you head-on. (less, not zero) For the hotel, try to standardise on a well known chain. (I know that that quaint little pub in St Albans stocks it's spirits (highly flammable) under the main (highly flammable) staircase) Great beer, great food, but I am not sleeping there. When you get to your room check the fire exits. When you go to the restaurant, think about food hygiene. Does the waiter smell, are fingernails clean, etc. Cheers. Have a nice trip. Merv
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#4 Posted : 20 October 2006 15:24:00(UTC)
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Posted By BS the work does sanction the travel, and it is to minimise costs. Travelling can mean days of 15 & 16 hours starting at 07:30 and finishing 22:00 or 23:00 dependant on delays and location.
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#5 Posted : 20 October 2006 15:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By Merv Newman Looks like Jeffrey was answering at the same time as me. Our company policy is a 10 hour day and/or 400 miles driven per day. 400 miles on motorways takes up about 6 hours. Which means I can drive 200 miles for an afternoon meeting and then get back home the same day. I've just come back from a training day 250 miles away. Went down Wednesday, stayed overnight, training on Thursday, came back today. And no, we don't get paid overtime. You are on an annual salary and that is your job. But I spent this afternoon in the garden. Stuff the office until Monday. Merv
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#6 Posted : 20 October 2006 15:33:00(UTC)
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Posted By jeffrey david smith Well BS, not sure what to say. I would suggest that you and your company are on very thin ground should you be involved in an accident, especially as you do this on a regular basis. Just as a thought, think of the lorry driver killed recently in Cambridgeshire as he fell asleep at the wheel. His company has been taken to court and fined, forget how much but was a lot, and compensation for the family was big, HSE costs were huge, complete overhaul of their driving/working systems etc. Good luck! Jeff
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#7 Posted : 20 October 2006 15:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By J Knight Agree with everything said so far. Take HGV standard hours as a starting point for the extremes which can be allowed in a working day, but you should be driving for much less as you have other work to do as well as drive. I'm trying to get a maximum 10 hour day including driving here, and driving to occupy less than half of the total. There was a case in Lincolnshire about a guy working in a potato factory (funny, I thought they grew them) who was killed on his way home after falling asleep. His employers were prosecuted under HASAWA because he had been working 11 hour days for a week. He wasn't even at work at the time, John PS Spellcheck has never heard of Lincolnshire
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