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Posted By AJM
I just wanted some sort of verification on this if its possible please.
I have been in manufacturing a while and obviously we have goods delivered here that are then moved by Fork truck on site.
Now since i have been at my present company i have increasingly noticed some of the packs of material from certain companies do not have their Weight on, which obviously can cause issues with different size trucks used on site IE the driver knowing the pack he is lifting is under the capacity of his truck.
I have got some of the companies to put weight on certain things but one in particular has queried it using the argument that no other customers have requested this. Which is not difficult as we have the packs of material all same length and amounts.
Now correct me if i am wrong but doesn't this come under the Section 6 of the Health and Safety at work act 1974 and It is the manufacturers duty to ensure this information is with the said packs of Material.
views on this scenario and my assumption greatly appreciated.
Alan
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Posted By Raymond Rapp
Alan
Agreed, HSWA Section 6 - Manufacturers and Suppliers, in my opinion does place a duty to provide safety related information. See also HSG 27(Rev).
Regards
Ray
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Posted By Brett Day
I had this with a supplier, when I worked for a manufacturer, we found a new supplier and told the current supplier, provide the weight information or we take up our components from your competitor.
Amazing how quickly we got the weights appearing on the parcels !!!
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Posted By Pete48
On the other hand, it might depend on whether the loads would ever be critical. Do they change, would they ever give you a problem with overloading? Is it actually ever possible to overload one of your trucks?
If not, where is the problem you are trying to solve?
If it is critical because there is potential for overloading which has been identified from your risk assessment. Then you can reasonably expect help from your supplier. They must have the information available otherwise how have they completed assessments to cover their own activity?
You now need this information to help you complete your risk assessment. This will also have identified rigorous controls to prevent overloading in other ways, relying upon drivers checking the weight stamped on a load may not be enough on its own.
Relying upon one section of HASAWA to put your case may not prove helpful. As a supplier, I may choose to argue the detailed point with you and maybe even decide not to supply you anymore unless you pay for the extra costs of marking. If you ask for simple co-operation in completing your risk assessments, now then?
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Posted By AJM
I would start by thanking people for their replies. Hopefully i can explain a little better.
Firstly as I previously said yes it does cause issues we have 1.6t trucks up to 3t trucks and some of the packs can be 2.4t so its imperative the driver is aware of the weight he is lifting as he approaches the pack.
I also have taken the co-operation approach and as said have got a few suppliers on board and would only end up quoting the regulations as a last resort.
One thing that does stick in my claw though is this cost issue same applying to a contractor once who said to me oh yes I will do the risk assessment method statement for you but it will implicate on the cost. As I said to him surely he cant charge me for something that by law he should already be supplying, which he did at NO extra cost.
So the same applies to these suppliers how can they charge extra for something they should already be doing under Section 6 of the health and safety at work act. I mean its not rocket science to have a weight of a product on a ticket that is already on the pack. Sorry for going on a bit its all in a days work for a frustrated Safety Manager.
Alan
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