Posted By Dave Wilson
been tryng to source these myself, any info would help!

Posted By Dave Wilson
Peter,

Been trying to look at this this week.

issues of cleaning so it can be used again, we would only use in areas where a suitable Vision panel cannot be installed.

It really needs to be a wireless / bluetooth with an external monitor will let you know if we have any joy! have some people working on it!

Will need to be bolted down as well!!!

Posted By David-J-Jones
Might be winging it a bit, not heard of the requirement or if there are any specification on clarity of image but screwfix sell a door style cctv camera with p.i.r for about forty pound inc vat. For that price could mount one or two in an enclosure, run coax as other cables to an external screen. As meant to be used external should be ok to wash off then double bag or even be a consumable.

Posted By Robert K Lewis
I have encountered this request also but I can only find re-chargeable types and when the strip area is 10m above ground in the roof area it seemed a very large extra risk to change the batteries every hour or so. The alternative used a 240 supply stepped down but this meant installing cables in a known risk area.

I think the HSE are trying to push the boundaries especially in Scotland and the NW on this one so would like to know if the area of request is increasing. Have also spoken to reps of the industry association and they do want to know first hand of this sort of request.

Bob

Posted By Dave Wilson
garbage!

It's so the HSE / LA's / others dont have to enter the enclosure!, it is not a legal requirement nor is pressure differential monitors.

This has come about from the HSE in differing areas asking for it and getting it. As an ex HS enforcement officer I do not feel that you could get any form of enforcement as there is no where that it says this is required.

The problem with the HSE is that there are differing standards from ALPI'S and their inspectors in different areas of the country and licensed contractors just go along with what they say without question as they value their licence and its not worth arguing the toss!!!

Even had one inspector say 'you appeal this and I will really go to town!' and some of them are really arrogant and downright rude as they know that as it is a lisensable industry they hold all the cards.

I think they need a step change as well!!!!

Posted By Gilles27
Total newie on the outside of this chat. I paid £66k for an environmental clean (crap strip in the 80's needed sorting (red lead/inside the cable runs, whitewashed over etc.))but with no vision panel as it 'wasn't possible'. CCTV would have been good. I also visited two other jobs to assist EHO colleagues. No vision panel. No legislation makes it mandatory, but if the punter can't see, how does the supe know what is being done is okay? Do supes care? "Vision panel too difficult" seems common. When I went in after stage 4 on my own job with the analysist I saw hand wipes on a beam above a door. No op had done that scrape. Stage 4 didn't see it either. They were painted over and turned out to belong to the original brickie as they were mortar. We chose to exit stage left before they scraped them but the ops and supe had'nt seen them. CCTV may not have either, but at least it may have driven the ops to cover that spot and drive the 'big brother is watching' ethos a bit closer.

In vindication and complete congratulations of a job mostly done well they actually took a phone camera into the enclosure to take a photo of a spot they couldn't get at. After decon of the bags and careful regard of the fuzzy photo I understood where the inaccessible part was and sanctioned it to be left.

Mobile CCTV would be a good idea if the ops were on board. Fixed CCTV if the ops are not working well. My contractor missed something for whatever reason, but then took mobile phone in to get clarification on another. maybe CCTV will help all honest folks.

Bye

Posted By db
DPA does not cover this in any way. It does exactly whatt says on the tin and its for data. Even if HRA does cover it - yes OK it might under right of privacy etc., it will be a term of the contract. If they don't want it they can find somewhere else to work.
The same with the company - the license will depend on it eventually. It's all about not hiding the work that tdo - and trust me I've been in to enclosures and seen people not kitted up proply, sweeping with brushes, using power tools.I've even seen people removing the asbestos in their home clothes while the enclosure is being built. It's job and finish and they generally get paid per job so cutting corners is a problem. HSE/EHO's need to see what they are doing hence the need for vision panels. Where they cant put panels it seems reasonable to put in other measures.

Dave, I agree with what you say (not the way you said it - but then other postings today suggest you are in a bad mood!) but its not unreasonable.

Posted By db
This is off the thread.

I regularly use them. Guidance can be used it just doesnt carry the same weight as acop etc. No more arguments Dave. It doesnt matter. HSE will be asking for it end of.

Posted By Dave Wilson
Ask away! Dont see how this will improve site conditions and would only be used in areas where a vision panel cannot be used.

Blue tooth etc etc two guys on site doing a job both in the enclosure who is going to operate and ensure the stuff is not knicked, Sorry MR HSE the monitor was there when we went in!

I am well aware that we should be doing all we can to improve the training and competence of Asbestos Removal Operatives as all is not green in the fields.

I feel we really need to go down the S/NVQ route rather than regurgitating the same old rubbish which is trotted out at annual refresher training by H&S trainers who have no idea of asbestos and the practicalities of how its done. This will have to be done soon anyway if you want a CSCS card,(got that in!) however who has the experience of Internal / External verifiers or assessment centres to deliver this - not many if none at all.

We as a profession have a duty to do this not just spend 8 hours quoting regulation and ppt to death.

No issue with dp as we are in the process of buying these but it just grates when the HSE in one area wants them and are not bothered in another area of the country - uniformity of enforcement is all I ask

Posted By Vernon Kay
Yes try Argos like the good man says. Or Wicks.

Posted By Martin Lewis ams
I dont know of any camara but we can manufacture an enclosure fir it so it can be kept in the area but in its own container