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#1 Posted : 26 October 2006 13:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By Vernon Kay Have you heard the new scheme in France to stop people using their mobile phones whilst driving??? THe idea is people sound their horns in disgust when they see someone on the phone. As more people join in the throng of horns the person is shamed into hanging up and driving safely. What do people think? Would it work in the UK?
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#2 Posted : 26 October 2006 14:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By cara Worth a try!! It takes me an hour to get to work - most of it stuck in traffic!! The number of people on their mobiles amazes me!! And I'll add it's usually these people driving badly - i.e. cutting people up etc, coz their aren't looking were their going!!
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#3 Posted : 26 October 2006 14:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bill Morrison Well something has to be done that's for sure as everyday you see people using mobiles while driving, seems to be LGV drivers are the worst in my opinion. We have recently changed our driving policy to state that at no time whist driving or the vehicle is in motion are you permitted to use your mobile phone, this includes all mobiles even hands free systems. Not sure sounding your horn would work , I can see you end up getting a smack in the mouth from the person on the phone. Bill
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#4 Posted : 26 October 2006 14:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By Vernon Kay Well it was developed by the French so maybe they are less aggressive. I believe the idea is that drivers feel ashamed as the person on the other end of the phone will hear the noise and realise they should not be driving at the same time as talking to them. Apparently it did work, but read this story: A police chief in southern England was caught driving his car while using his mobile phone, an offence here, by a motorist who followed him, The Times reported on Monday. Guy Darby, chief superintendent in the county of Surrey, southern England, was reprimanded by his force and ordered to pay 30 pounds (56 dollars, 45 euros), the equivalent of the penalty fine, to charity. A motorist followed Darby to his station after the officer cut in front of him while talking on his mobile phone. Using a mobile phone while driving has been illegal in Britain since December 2003 unless drivers have a hands-free kit. “If this incident highlights these dangers to anyone else, then it will be worth the embarrassment I am feeling,” Darby said in a statement. “Answering my mobile while driving was a serious error of judgment.”
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#5 Posted : 26 October 2006 15:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Impey http://uk.wrs.yahoo.com/...2ktsai82/EXP=1161958336/**http%3a//www.scooter-freaks.nl/filmpjes/download/safety/mobiel.wmv
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#6 Posted : 26 October 2006 15:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By ian (fingaz) no....do you think it will? I've even seen a police officer on the phone while driving. if that's the example to follow what chance has the general public?
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#7 Posted : 26 October 2006 16:24:00(UTC)
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Posted By Al Beevers Here's an idea I'd pay good money for and implement across all our fleet. Can someone invent a device that's attached to a car (maybe integrated to a location scanner) that blocks signals to any mobiles in the car? Stops any one using it at all. I've tried to implement a no use policy, stopped the provision of hands free kits and gone down the route of getting all engineers to put their voice mail on when leaving the office. All of it no use whe the MD is seen by most of the company using his BlackBerry while driving. I don't think we can rely on humans to do what they're told and what's good for them. An engineering solution has got to be better.
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#8 Posted : 26 October 2006 17:36:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alan Nicholls We could learn something from those nice people in Singapore. If you are found using a mobile phone while driving and not using it with a Bluetooth or hands free setup. 1 They fine you 2 They can administer corporal punishment whipping 3 They take your phone away 4 They endorse your licence If your very unlucky you could get the lot. Remember this is a country that has the death penalty. I suppose they might shoot you as well if they got a bit Peeeeed with you.
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#9 Posted : 26 October 2006 18:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By Pete48 Hooting your horn in France?? I thought all French cars had an automatic horn that beeps at every opportunity? Perhaps this is just another excuse for them to peep peep. Where's Merv when we need him?
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#10 Posted : 27 October 2006 09:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By J Knight Hi Folks, The company I used to work for has a care service in the Isle of Man. They introduced a ban on mobiles before the UK, and being rather more direct about certain things the enforcement policy they adopted was very simple; a £1,000 fixed penalty notice, served on the spot, no arguing. I understand it worked fairly well, John
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#11 Posted : 27 October 2006 09:40:00(UTC)
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Posted By GSPaterson I would love to se a £1000 fine enforced, it just wouldnt happen.
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#12 Posted : 27 October 2006 10:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By Vernon Kay Thanks for everyone's comments on this issue. No wonder it is the most highly viewed item on the forum for a while! I will certainly be looking into installing a system in our vehicles to prevent phone use. We need them for preventing abusive behaviour, preventing illegal parking and preventing our drivers listening to James Blunt at the lights!
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#13 Posted : 27 October 2006 10:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chas I remember reading in the paper a while ago about a person who hooted (in a friendly manner)at the person in front who had not noticed the lights change from red to green. That person (a poiceman as it happened)subsequently got out of the car and fined the individual for inappropriate use of the car horn. That begs the question of whether hooting at a mobile phone user would be considered inappropriate use of the car horn.
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#14 Posted : 27 October 2006 10:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By Vernon Kay Sounds like the copper was struggling to make his arrest rate on that day. The horn is technically to alert others of your presence. In this case I would argue that the use was to tell the stopped driver that you wanted to move forward through the lights, so you would be let off scot free.
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#15 Posted : 27 October 2006 11:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By Merv Newman Here I am. I thought that it was an offence in the UK to sound your horn while stationary ? France ? First, no-one takes any notice of horns. Second, you cannot embarass a French person (except with the yoghurt joke. But then they would be embarrassed FOR you) And no, I had not heard about this campaign. But then I don't get out much. (wish) Last week I was almost wiped out by a HGV driver swinging his truck through the site gates while talking on his phone. The insurance would have been welcome (Rover 75, cost thousands, re-sale value 4p and a pork pie at the last offer) I was programming my Sat-Nav at the time. (still parked) Merv
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#16 Posted : 27 October 2006 11:24:00(UTC)
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Posted By J Knight Hi GSP, It worked in the Isle of Man; £1,000 no excuses. But then, as I say, they take a different view there, John
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#17 Posted : 27 October 2006 11:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By Vernon Kay I can beat that! Last month I saw a lorry driver with one hand on his phone, one hand on his bacon butty and one hand on the wheel! I just could not believe it! I am sure they were all hands!
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#18 Posted : 27 October 2006 12:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tabs Merv, not illegal to sound horn whilst stationary if to do so would avert danger. Improper use of the horn? Certainly. Unhelpful use of horn? Certainly. One must consider the frame of mind and concentration of those people hell-bent with stopping people using the phone. To see it and tut with disgust is one thing, but to become distracted trying to tell them of your disgust is another thing. You then become a danger to other road users. Add to that the confusion and distress to pedestrians (going through a town sounding a horn is rather distressing to those on the pavement) and I hope you can see that the scheme is not the best idea yet. Perhaps a better way is to tell your friends to stop when you see them doing it, and to hang up on people who insist on calling you from a vehicle. Slower but probably safer. Eventually people will get the message if you are serious about giving it. Many of us say one thing but then participate in the conversations with these people.
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#19 Posted : 27 October 2006 12:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By Vernon Kay What about smoking in work vans whilst driving? That is a major issue with me and our company.
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#20 Posted : 27 October 2006 12:34:00(UTC)
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Posted By J Knight Hi Vernon, If the van is shared between a number of drivers or if it is used by more than one person at a time (e.g. driver and mate) then smoking in it will probably be illegal from April; it already is if it's in Scotland, John
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#21 Posted : 27 October 2006 12:36:00(UTC)
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Posted By GSPaterson J Knight Sorry i misread, i thought you meant your company introduced the £1000 fine into your workplace. didnt realise you meant the goverment over there
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#22 Posted : 27 October 2006 12:43:00(UTC)
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Posted By J Knight No, sadly not ion-house; I have to agree that wouldn't work, John
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#23 Posted : 27 October 2006 13:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By Vernon Kay Thanks to everyone for their contributions to this thread, I will now go and get some work done on the issue! Thanks to all my fans out there who have helped! Vernon
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