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#1 Posted : 27 October 2006 14:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By Keith Penfold
Hello,

I have a question around training and competency in small workshops.

We have a small workshop which has some static pillar drills, lathes, milling machines, grinders, sanding machines and metal cutters. Currently staff use the workshop for a number of tasks – but there is no ‘production line’ in general terms. Use is not on a daily baisis, but can be heavy at certain times.

We have risk assessments around the use of the individual machines – but the query we have is around suitable training. Currently staff receive a two-day general awareness course on general workshop safety which covers the equipment and general safety in a workshop.

My query is - for a small workshop – with the sort of equipment mentioned – is there a standard recognised course which would be accepted as making staff competent to use the equipment?

Thanks.

Keith P.
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#2 Posted : 27 October 2006 14:40:00(UTC)
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Posted By holmezy


Keith,

many years ago courses for the situation you describe were in abundance. They lasted about 4 or 5 years and covered all aspects of the technical skills, as well as practical tuition, that you could ever need to operate in the described environment. I attended on of these courses and it gave me an excellent grounding in all things related to engineering as well as a good insight into life in general. I would thoroughly recommend anyone attending such a course. They were run in every company in every town in evry city and went under the description of ......

apprenticeship.

Unfortunately, a past government decided that the need for educating future craftsmen was not a top priority and withdrew its funding, so many companies decided not to run the course anymore. Alas, it seems that you are now reaping the aftermath of such a decision!!

Sorry, cant be of any help, but its Friday afternoon and I find it hard to be serious, its a shame about apprenticeships though!!

Holmezy
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#3 Posted : 27 October 2006 14:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By Catman
Hi Keith

I think a VQ Level 3 in preforming manufacturing operations may be the answer, it would not take long for a competent engineer to undertake as there would be myriad evidence of competence for the assessor. Contact your local college.

Its a bit of a pain, I had to put some electricians through the same recently, but it may be the only way to prove competence if you really need a bit of paper to do so.

Cheers
TW
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#4 Posted : 27 October 2006 16:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By Steve Cartwright
Most of the Engineers I worked with only had a large, medium and small hammer. oh and they used to carry adjustable spanners as well.

They went one day a week for 4 years. Which actually works out at about 120 days in college. The rest of the time was spent scratching their heads and sucking air in through their teeth.
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#5 Posted : 27 October 2006 18:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By holmezy

Steve,

aahhhh.....the old, near forgotten skill of sucking teeth!!
I remember that one well. Think the module for that skill was about 3 days, it was hard going and a devil to master. Some had real problems, getting the suck confused with a blow ( a seperate skill in its own right!), then add the "scratching of stubbled chin" and "shaking of head".

To do this, all at the same time, was truly challenging. Theres probably an NVQ in it nowadays but it wont be to the same standard as in the "good old days when I were a lad".

The young of today have alot to learn!

holmezy
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#6 Posted : 28 October 2006 01:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By B Smart
You should have most issues covered in the induction of employees to the workplace and individual training on the use, maintenance and cleaning of the machinery.

B. Smart
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#7 Posted : 28 October 2006 03:01:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Murgatroyd
Quite right Mr Smart.
However, according to the H&S INFOline, the person/s doing the training do not have to be able to do the task they're training others in, they just have to be able to train people !
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#8 Posted : 28 October 2006 09:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By steven bentham
Keith

Are we assuming here that you have checked the HSE publication relating to engineering machines; and that the machines are correctly guarded; and that the guards are in use by staff during all operations; and the machines are correctly maintained; and you carry out safety inspections? - (the milling machine can have its moments but generally these machines are used in school CDT or to someone of my age metal & woodwork - by children)

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#9 Posted : 30 October 2006 10:40:00(UTC)
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Posted By Keith Penfold
Humm, thanks (?)for some of the replies.

Ok to clarify, the workshop is quite small, the staff who use the equipment are trained engineers, and are experienced. However their training, etc was in a previous role, so what I am seeking is some sort of standard safety course for a small workshop. A course which would be accepted as being the min standard for a small workshop - if such a course exists.

Yes the equipment is managed, and is correctly guarded, etc. I guess what we are seeking is a course which is accepted as being a 'catchall', and can alsoa ct as a refresher. If nothing exists fine, but I was hoping there might be someone out there who knew of such a course and used it.

Keith
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