Posted By Richard Spencer Your views are sought for the formation of a division of this institution catering for safety or risk engineers who are at the forefront of process safety and risk assessment. The design of complex plant and equipment and engineering systems needs an integrated approach of safety of plant and equipment in design, manufacture, installation, operation. People safety aspects have now been served but lack the whole picture when humanistic management failure occurs. There is an overlap of engineering and safety in the design of most modern plants and therefore needs to be part of the whole Workplace Safety story particularly when elements of engineering safety process fails and is causal in human injury or fatality. Are we as an institution including technical safety and is workplace safety complete without a though technical understanding of failure modes and their effects. Your comments please? Richard Spencer Safety Engineer

Posted By Tom Doyle Richard, I agree there should be an overlap. Unfortunately I see the overlap as more of a gap. There should be more effort being made to close the gap between the engineering hazard controls and the administrative hazard controls. Only the most safety conscious employers seem to attempt to balance the engineering and administrative controls. We certainly encourage our clients to participate in this type of risk mitigation. Kindest regards, Tom Doyle Industrial Safety Integration

Posted By Merv Newman There is an enormous difference between enginering safety on a comah site and "simple safety management systems aka 18000" I'll do you 18000 but I could not possibly critique any high pressure/temperature/nasty chemicals management. I've seen enuff of those to know I don't know what I'm looking at. But I might be able to judge if YOU are competent. Merv. Sunday night and waiting for dinner. roast beef/potatoes/parsnips/carrots. lightly boiled broccoli, Yorkshire puddings, bisto gravy. Horse raddish sauce. A glass or two of burgundy. This is what it means to be a consultant.

Posted By andy evans Richard Personally I think there would be value in better representing the needs of system safety / risk engineers from any high hazard industry (petrochemicals, offshore, nuclear, marine, rail, aviation etc). This would certain contribute to IOSH being a x-discipline safety institution. I'm slightly saddened that some responses above seem to have been made without a clear understanding of the role of system safety / risk engineers and a certain parochial perspective.